Why do you think Gimli never calls Legolas by name?

Pippin's_mushrooms · 04-11-2003, 08:10 PM

As far as I know Gimli hardly ever, or maybe doesn't, call Legolas by his name. How weird is that? I'd think that becouse they were best freinds they'd call each other by name.

TopazJedi · 04-12-2003, 01:20 AM

Yeah, i don't think he ever calls him by name. He usually refers to him as "laddie", which i find hilarious, since Gimli is so much shorter and younger than Legolas.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-12-2003, 01:23 AM

I don't remember Gimli ever calling Legolas laddie. I don't even remember short-funny-person calling pretty-golden-boy laddie.

Bombadillo · 04-12-2003, 01:30 AM

Did you just call Legolas pretty?

Anyway I think he never calls him by name purely for humor. I think it is pretty funny how he only says "the elf," espesially in the beginning of the Fellowship.

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-12-2003, 01:33 AM

Yes. Legolas is definitely the "pretty boy" of the Fellowship, hence the fangirl following.

-mutters incomprehensible comments about You Know Who-

TopazJedi · 04-12-2003, 03:05 AM

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I don't remember Gimli ever calling Legolas laddie

It was in TTT. I think it was after Leggie and Aragorn had the fight that gimli says "Let him go, laddie". or something like that. Gotta go watch it agian (i'll come back to this thread tomorrow to verify where it was, but im pretty sure it was in that scene)

miss_poet · 04-12-2003, 08:33 AM

Yes, Gimlie calls Legolas "The Elf" instead of Legolas. Even in TTT when Aragorn was going to throw him off the bridge to attack he said, "Just don't tell The Elf!" He calls him by that name...actually I don't remember him calling ANYONE by their real names! He calls frodo, sam, merry, and pippin "the hobbits"!

Weird...

Gwaimir Windgem · 04-12-2003, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by TopazJedi
It was in TTT. I think it was after Leggie and Aragorn had the fight that gimli says "Let him go, laddie". or something like that. Gotta go watch it agian (i'll come back to this thread tomorrow to verify where it was, but im pretty sure it was in that scene)

You mean pretty-elf-boy and still-not-king.

straight_face · 04-12-2003, 01:42 PM

It's a formal thing to not call someone by their actual name. Gimli calls Legolas, 'Master Elf', also.

Orion · 04-12-2003, 02:25 PM

If you didn´t know that Legolas and Gimli were friends though, you couldn´t guess it from the movie. I personally find "the elf" rather "rude" word to use from someone; if they have names, why not use them? I don´t think that Legolas ever calls Gimli by name either?

straight_face · 04-12-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by Orion
I don´t think that Legolas ever calls Gimli by name either?

Would it seem natural for Tolkien to write this in his books? It seems as if it would seem correct for Legolas to say, "Gimli! Come hither!" or some other phrase using his name, yet Tolkien's writing usually doesn't use this type of "dialogue" one could say.

In other news, I have a very neat-o icon that I am hoping to use, but I'm clueless how to put it up and make straight_face pretty like everybody else.

Bombadillo · 04-12-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Orion
If you didn´t know that Legolas and Gimli were friends though, you couldn´t guess it from the movie. I personally find "the elf" rather "rude" word to use from someone; if they have names, why not use them? I don´t think that Legolas ever calls Gimli by name either?

I don't think that it's rude. A lot of my friends don't call each other by name. I won't say many here because I don't want to offend people; they're mostly based on nationality. I'm 'that polock' to a lot of my friends. But nobody doesn't like it.

Aralyn · 04-12-2003, 05:21 PM

I think it's kind of a nickname thing. You know banter. Master elf and Master Dwarf.

miss_poet · 04-12-2003, 07:00 PM

My name is Katrina and no one has called me ANYTHING here! No one has called me by any name

Weird.....no one uses names anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aralyn · 04-12-2003, 07:11 PM

Not true! We use them only when necessary or to direct a thought to a specific person Like now you know I'm talking to miss_poet cause you're the last one who posted.

You don't have any nicknames? On Entmoot or at home?

TopazJedi · 04-12-2003, 11:38 PM

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I don´t think that Legolas ever calls Gimli by name either?

No, he calls him by name a lot! Remember when they are chasing the Uruk-hai, and Gimli keeps on falling behind, pretty-elf-boy is constantly saying "Come Gimli!". here are the exact lines:

Still-not-king: Their pace quickens. They must have caught our scent. Hurry!
Pretty-elf-boy: Come on Gimli!
Gimli: Three day's and night's pursuit.. no food... no rest... and no sign of our quarry but what bare rock can tell.
[The Three Hunters run across rocks and plains, with Still-not-king in the lead, and Pretty-elf-boy and Gimli trailing behind. Still-not-king suddenly bends down to pick up an Elven brooch from the ground.]
Still-not-king: Not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall.
Pretty-elf-boy: They may yet be alive.
Still-not-king: Less than a day ahead of us, come!
Pretty-elf-boy: Come Gimli! We are gaining on them.
Gimli: I'm wasted on cross-country. We dwarves are natural sprinters. Very dangerous we are over short distances.

I always thought it was odd that he would say "Come Gimli" two times in the same scene, so it stuck with me. Oh, and i found the place where Gimi calls Pretty-elf-boy "lad"

Pretty-elf-boy: Aragorn, nedin dagor hen ú-'erir otheri. Natha daged dhaer.
[Translation: "They cannot win this fight. They are all going to die!"]
Still-not-king: Then I shall die as one of them!
[Still-not-king exits.]
Gimli: [To Pretty-elf-boy]: Let him go, lad. Let him be.

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He calls frodo, sam, merry, and pippin "the hobbits"! Weird...

What i find even funnier is that that is what the actors called themselves! In this interview, Lij constantly said things like "We hobbits went out for a drink" and "the hobbits and the elf went to Australia to see the set of Star Wars" and stuff like that.

gimli7410 · 04-13-2003, 04:28 AM

i think he probably didnt have enoough respect for the elves to call him by their name. Or maybe it wasnt inthe script

Lalaith · 04-13-2003, 05:26 AM

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No, he calls him by name a lot! Remember when they are chasing the Uruk-hai, and Gimli keeps on falling behind, pretty-elf-boy is constantly saying "Come Gimli!". here are the exact lines:

Yeah, just wanted to mention, that I also remember Legolas calling Gimli by his name. The name sounds in my ear.

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Yes. Legolas is definitely the "pretty boy" of the Fellowship, hence the fangirl following.

It's a shame I think I creep back to my hollow and dream of Legolas

Orion · 04-13-2003, 06:48 AM

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Originally posted by TopazJedi
No, he calls him by name a lot! Remember when they are chasing the Uruk-hai, and Gimli keeps on falling behind, pretty-elf-boy is constantly saying "Come Gimli!". ...

Thank you, TopazJedi - I have totally missed that scene - might be because I´m always too busy rolling my eyes to the roof and trying to ignore Gimli´s whining - actually it´s not difficult to do that because of the audience´s laughter; you can´t really hear what the characters say.. (ok, I just don´t like that scene.

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**Nurvingiel** · 04-13-2003, 01:28 PM

Another reason might be that Gimli has really crummy lines. And either he didn't have a lot of lines, or they had little to no impact, because there didn't seem to be enough time for decent lines.

This isn't to say I didn't like Gimli at all, because I did like him, but he wasn't very much like the book Gimli we all know and love. That's why he might not be addressing Legolas as his friend, and by his name.

04-11-2003, 08:10 PM	#1
Pippin's_mushrooms Sapling Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 8	Why do you think Gimli never calls Legolas by name? As far as I know Gimli hardly ever, or maybe doesn't, call Legolas by his name. How weird is that? I'd think that becouse they were best freinds they'd call each other by name. __________________ Stephanie(:

04-12-2003, 01:20 AM	#2
TopazJedi Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Imladris Posts: 105	Yeah, i don't think he ever calls him by name. He usually refers to him as "laddie", which i find hilarious, since Gimli is so much shorter and younger than Legolas. __________________ Your cursor is magically drawn to my smiley

04-12-2003, 01:23 AM	#3
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I don't remember Gimli ever calling Legolas laddie. I don't even remember short-funny-person calling pretty-golden-boy laddie. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-12-2003, 01:30 AM	#4
Bombadillo "The Bomb" Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: all over the place Posts: 1,601	Did you just call Legolas pretty? Anyway I think he never calls him by name purely for humor. I think it is pretty funny how he only says "the elf," espesially in the beginning of the Fellowship. __________________ Could it be that one path to enlightenment leads through insanity?

04-12-2003, 01:33 AM	#5
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yes. Legolas is definitely the "pretty boy" of the Fellowship, hence the fangirl following. -mutters incomprehensible comments about You Know Who- __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

04-12-2003, 08:33 AM	#7
miss_poet Enting Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivendell :-) Posts: 68	The Elf Yes, Gimlie calls Legolas "The Elf" instead of Legolas. Even in TTT when Aragorn was going to throw him off the bridge to attack he said, "Just don't tell The Elf!" He calls him by that name...actually I don't remember him calling ANYONE by their real names! He calls frodo, sam, merry, and pippin "the hobbits"! Weird... __________________ As I look into the sky and sit and watch the stars I think of you. I wonder if you remember me the way I was or the way I am now. I know I will always keep a place for you in my heart. Even though the shadows fall and the darkness enters you will always be with me. I remember one thing about you. Your eyes. I used to look in them like pools of blue water. I could stare at them forever like the dark blue sky on a cloudy night. As I sit here still watching the stars I think of you, but the one thing I remember is your eyes.

04-12-2003, 01:42 PM	#9
straight_face Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angband Posts: 91	It's a formal thing to not call someone by their actual name. Gimli calls Legolas, 'Master Elf', also. __________________ 'There was no need. He halted just by us and looked down at us. "Gandalf!" I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: "Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!" No, indeed! He said: "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took! Where, in the name of wonder, in all this ruin is Treebeard? I want him. Quick!"' 'What are we going to do now then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows. "Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf. 'But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words.' 'Fool of a Took!' he growled. 'This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!'

04-12-2003, 02:25 PM	#10
Orion Enting Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Finland Posts: 78	If you didn´t know that Legolas and Gimli were friends though, you couldn´t guess it from the movie. I personally find "the elf" rather "rude" word to use from someone; if they have names, why not use them? I don´t think that Legolas ever calls Gimli by name either? __________________ If you are going to have delusions, you might as well go for the really satisfying ones.

04-12-2003, 05:21 PM	#13
Aralyn FloraAzul Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Anywhere as long as there is a library in a one mile radius of here Posts: 751	I think it's kind of a nickname thing. You know banter. Master elf and Master Dwarf. __________________ Atheism: A Non-Prophet Organization Yet many shall be amazed when they see Him-yes even far off foreign nations and thier kings; they shall stand dumb-founded, speechless in his prescence. For they shall see and understand what they had not seen before-Isaiah 52:15a Civil War- 498,332 dead WWI-116,708 dead WWII-407,316 dead Korean War-54,246 dead Vietnam War-58,665 dead Persian Gulf-372 dead War on The Unborn=35,000,000 dead and counting

04-12-2003, 07:00 PM	#14
miss_poet Enting Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Rivendell :-) Posts: 68	Names My name is Katrina and no one has called me ANYTHING here! No one has called me by any name Weird.....no one uses names anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!! __________________ As I look into the sky and sit and watch the stars I think of you. I wonder if you remember me the way I was or the way I am now. I know I will always keep a place for you in my heart. Even though the shadows fall and the darkness enters you will always be with me. I remember one thing about you. Your eyes. I used to look in them like pools of blue water. I could stare at them forever like the dark blue sky on a cloudy night. As I sit here still watching the stars I think of you, but the one thing I remember is your eyes.

04-12-2003, 07:11 PM	#15
Aralyn FloraAzul Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Anywhere as long as there is a library in a one mile radius of here Posts: 751	Not true! We use them only when necessary or to direct a thought to a specific person Like now you know I'm talking to miss_poet cause you're the last one who posted. You don't have any nicknames? On Entmoot or at home? __________________ Atheism: A Non-Prophet Organization Yet many shall be amazed when they see Him-yes even far off foreign nations and thier kings; they shall stand dumb-founded, speechless in his prescence. For they shall see and understand what they had not seen before-Isaiah 52:15a Civil War- 498,332 dead WWI-116,708 dead WWII-407,316 dead Korean War-54,246 dead Vietnam War-58,665 dead Persian Gulf-372 dead War on The Unborn=35,000,000 dead and counting

04-13-2003, 04:28 AM	#17
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i think he probably didnt have enoough respect for the elves to call him by their name. Or maybe it wasnt inthe script __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

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