Mythology - Page 7

durinsbane2244 · 09-18-2006, 06:54 PM

hm...hamlet. he was kickass...i'm just trying to make the point that Sherlock and say, Hector (

), definately belong in different sections.

Spock · 09-18-2006, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

No, no, dear Spock, it is "however improbable". The impossible, by definition, can't be the truth.

We're talking Holmes quote here not Merriam Websters definition. You're incorrect.

durinsbane2244 · 09-18-2006, 07:06 PM

actually, i'm not going to bet anything, but i'm LEANING TOWARDS "improbable"...and yeah, this is hard for me to contradict with you, oh might Spocko, but i'm pretty sure it is "improbable"...

Spock · 09-18-2006, 07:36 PM

Unfortunately, I am a Holmes devotee and have the complete works well read.

The quote:
...
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes)
British mystery author & physician (1859 - 1930)

These quotes are Holmes speaking to Watson:

"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
The Sign of Four (1890)

again:

"It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet (1892)

again:

"We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans (1908)

again:

"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of The Blanched Soldier (1926)

I wins again!!

I bends the posting to win

Acalewia · 09-18-2006, 08:25 PM

He wrote that in 4 books?

hectorberlioz · 09-18-2006, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

hm...hamlet. he was kickass...i'm just trying to make the point that Sherlock and say, Hector (

), definately belong in different sections.

See, but I speak not of sections and categories, but of Greatness.

For instance: James Bond was invented before Indiana Jones. Indy was made up as a kind of out-doors Bond, and it worked, and you can say, though there is dissent, that Indy is just as good as Bond. I'm taking this to the larger scale, of course...

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-18-2006, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spock

Unfortunately, I am a Holmes devotee and have the complete works well read.

The quote:
...
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes)
British mystery author & physician (1859 - 1930)

These quotes are Holmes speaking to Watson:

"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?"
The Sign of Four (1890)

again:

"It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet (1892)

again:

"We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans (1908)

again:

"When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Adventure of The Blanched Soldier (1926)

I wins again!!

I bends the posting to win

See, Spock, I wrote "however improbable", thereby indicating that I was referring to the text followed by (some permutation of) "must be the truth." As that is the form in ALL FOUR QUOTES, I am afraid I win.

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-18-2006, 09:57 PM

Dear Hector,

No. Really.

Gwai

hectorberlioz · 09-18-2006, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Dear Hector,

No. Really.

Gwai

Really what?...I didn't say Bond or Indy was in the realm, I was using them in an example...

Come now, just because something was made up in Ancient Greece makes it good? I say they're good because they're good, but not because they're greek. You have to admit, there are some clunkers too...Oedipus really isnt that interesting...

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-18-2006, 10:09 PM

No, Holmes does not rank with the Greek Heroes. The smart ones are also brimming with physical prowess.

***Earniel*** · 09-19-2006, 03:41 AM

I see we've moved from classic mythology to 'modern' mythology.

I like the idea that in a few centuries people will think that Sherlock Holmes was one of the mythological heroes of our time and myths.

durinsbane2244 · 09-19-2006, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spock

I see Hercules as part of Mythology. I see Holmes as part of literary legends. Then too, Watson wrote about Holmes so he MUST be real.

To paraphrase: "when all possible explanations have been ruled out, whatever remains, however impossible, must be the truth.”

But I may have stated this incorrectly. I have to go to the books.

you're the one that said "however impossible" to begin with, silly ol' spock...

hectorberlioz · 09-19-2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eärniel

I see we've moved from classic mythology to 'modern' mythology.

I like the idea that in a few centuries people will think that Sherlock Holmes was one of the mythological heroes of our time and myths.

The only person who understands my point...

durinsbane2244 · 09-19-2006, 05:47 PM

hm...i think not. mythology, in and of itself, is composed of old RELIGIONS. i don't think we have any Sherlockianists running around...i hope..

hectorberlioz · 09-19-2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

hm...i think not. mythology, in and of itself, is composed of old RELIGIONS. i don't think we have any Sherlockianists running around...i hope..

you'd be surprised

...some people thought logic constituted religion...Confucius?

***Earniel*** · 09-20-2006, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

hm...i think not. mythology, in and of itself, is composed of old RELIGIONS. i don't think we have any Sherlockianists running around...i hope..

But much of the myths in ancient times were told like stories. There are different variants according to different traditions, or whatever emphasis the story-teller wanted to put on it. I have my doubts that everybody thought they all happened exactly like the story says. Some were merely stories with a lesson.

Holmes is a story-character too, and I find the thought amusing, that future philologists -who don't know everything about our era and have to make assumptions and theories, like we do today on old civilisations- would think that Holmes may have been a hero in our myths.

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-20-2006, 01:41 PM

In OUR myths, not yours.

We English-speakers have little enough as it is, and we must guard what we have jealously!

I imagine you're right, that most people probably didn't think it happened exactly thus, but I doubt they thought it to be entirely or primarily fictional, as we think Holmes to be.

Spock · 09-20-2006, 01:50 PM

Wait a minute. You saying Holmes isn't true? Dr. Watson is going to be very disappointed when I tell him.

Next you'll be saying the Hobbits that inhabit certain regions, aren't real either.

Rosie Gamgee · 09-20-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spock

I see Hercules as part of Mythology. I see Holmes as part of literary legends. Then too, Watson wrote about Holmes so he MUST be real.

To paraphrase: "when all possible explanations have been ruled out, whatever remains, however impossible, must be the truth.”

But I may have stated this incorrectly. I have to go to the books.

Let me guess: you are "well- versed in the classics" (Just couldn't resist, Spock)

Spock · 09-20-2006, 02:00 PM

Rosie the Resistor!

09-18-2006, 06:54 PM	#121
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...hamlet. he was kickass...i'm just trying to make the point that Sherlock and say, Hector (), definately belong in different sections. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-18-2006, 07:06 PM	#123
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	actually, i'm not going to bet anything, but i'm LEANING TOWARDS "improbable"...and yeah, this is hard for me to contradict with you, oh might Spocko, but i'm pretty sure it is "improbable"... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-18-2006, 07:36 PM	#124
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	correction of memory Unfortunately, I am a Holmes devotee and have the complete works well read. The quote: ... Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, (Sherlock Holmes) British mystery author & physician (1859 - 1930) These quotes are Holmes speaking to Watson: "How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" The Sign of Four (1890) again: "It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet (1892) again: "We must fall back upon the old axiom that when all other contingencies fail, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." The Adventure of Bruce-Partington Plans (1908) again: "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." The Adventure of The Blanched Soldier (1926) I wins again!! I bends the posting to win __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 09-18-2006 at 07:44 PM. Reason: checked the books on my shelves

09-18-2006, 08:25 PM	#125
Acalewia Halfelven Daughter of the Dunedain, President of Entmoot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: In trouble. As usual. Posts: 4,674	He wrote that in 4 books? __________________ "Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life!"~ inked Don't meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. "Don't be such a sour wolf" Stiles ~ Heart Monitor http://www.wattpad.com/user/IceQueenofMitera

09-18-2006, 09:57 PM	#128
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Dear Hector, No. Really. Gwai __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-18-2006, 10:09 PM	#130
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	No, Holmes does not rank with the Greek Heroes. The smart ones are also brimming with physical prowess. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-19-2006, 03:41 AM	#131
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	I see we've moved from classic mythology to 'modern' mythology. I like the idea that in a few centuries people will think that Sherlock Holmes was one of the mythological heroes of our time and myths. __________________ We are not things.

09-19-2006, 05:47 PM	#134
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...i think not. mythology, in and of itself, is composed of old RELIGIONS. i don't think we have any Sherlockianists running around...i hope.. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-20-2006, 01:41 PM	#137
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	In OUR myths, not yours. We English-speakers have little enough as it is, and we must guard what we have jealously! I imagine you're right, that most people probably didn't think it happened exactly thus, but I doubt they thought it to be entirely or primarily fictional, as we think Holmes to be. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-20-2006, 01:50 PM	#138
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Wait a minute. You saying Holmes isn't true? Dr. Watson is going to be very disappointed when I tell him. Next you'll be saying the Hobbits that inhabit certain regions, aren't real either. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

09-20-2006, 02:00 PM	#140
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Rosie the Resistor! __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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