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Old 09-14-2006, 08:25 PM   #81
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oh come on! give credit where credit is due, man!
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And sitting by desolate streams;
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On whom the pale moon gleams:
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Of the world for ever, it seems.
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:39 PM   #82
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What about....Cashmere WindGarments....

Achilles was a Punk, I agree. The dirtbag....oops! I called Homer a name!
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:45 PM   #83
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why do you call Achilles a punk? he was a great warrior...a bit of a temper, given, but still...

even the trojan/romans speak of him with respect, unlike the contempt and hatred they spoke with for odysseus...
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And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:52 PM   #84
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Achilles was:


Dishonorable

A Jerk

An Adulterer

A double-crosser

and had bad heels.

Sheesh though, I would never have worn heels into battle...
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:03 PM   #85
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well then, all of the Gods and Goddesses were punks, as were all of the heroes. everyone. there. ha!
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World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:11 PM   #86
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well then, all of the Gods and Goddesses were punks, as were all of the heroes. everyone. there. ha!
True, but they did it more nobly...
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:14 PM   #87
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oh...that makes it alright... nah, i like Achilles...
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We are the music-makers,
And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:15 PM   #88
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And not Hector ...?....
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:17 PM   #89
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oh no, by all means, i love hector. i just wish they weren't against each other....every time i read the story, i always think he's gonna get away...hope, at least.
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And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
Of the world for ever, it seems.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:21 PM   #90
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Did you know that the biggest percent of people who hate Achilles; hate him because he killed Hector? ...Shows you how inspiring Hector is...

"Not for nothing did Berlioz' father name him Hector..."
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:23 PM   #91
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hm....well....it was fate, eh? in the mythology, people didn't have a choice, y'know? not his fault. so there!

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Of the world for ever, it seems.
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:26 PM   #92
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hm....well....it was fate, eh? in the mythology, people didn't have a choice, y'know? not his fault. so there!

Now that is rotten fate: to kill of Hector...

You know, I haven't even read the Iliad yet...
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:29 PM   #93
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really? the whole thing centers around the rage of Achilles...and, of course, the results...aka, death of hector...y'know...little things...
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World-losers and world-forsakers,
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Yet we are the movers and shakers
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:32 PM   #94
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Little! ...it's the little things that make up the big things, as it were...


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Frodo: Yeah, yeah...you told me already...
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:43 PM   #95
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hm....i think it's the thing that makes up the thing...if the good Lord intended us the see the smaller things, He woulda made 'em bigger...and visible...
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And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:47 PM   #96
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hm....i think it's the thing that makes up the thing...if the good Lord intended us the see the smaller things, He woulda made 'em bigger...and visible...

He did...you just have to have a monocle or two handy...
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:53 PM   #97
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hm...yeah, a joke it was, and a joke it remains. anyway...i'm gonna head out soon...
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And we are the dreamers of dreams,
Wandering by lone sea-breakers,
And sitting by desolate streams;
World-losers and world-forsakers,
On whom the pale moon gleams:
Yet we are the movers and shakers
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:53 PM   #98
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well then, all of the Gods and Goddesses were punks, as were all of the heroes. everyone. there. ha!
Yep. 'Cept Achilles. The tragic heroes tended to be less twittish.

But yeah, Achilles had way, way too much of a temper. Also, for being such an awesome hero, when he gets into an altercation with Agammemnon, what does he do? He goes and sulks in his tent.

At least Patroclus understands me!
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Yep. 'Cept Achilles. The tragic heroes tended to be less twittish.

But yeah, Achilles had way, way too much of a temper. Also, for being such an awesome hero, when he gets into an altercation with Agammemnon, what does he do? He goes and sulks in his tent.

At least Patroclus understands me!
See DB? Achilles is also a wimp orater...that is reason enough to hate his guts. And boy...does he have a lot of them. They guy drank about a horse's weight each day...
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A wimp orator? He doesn't do much in the way of speeches, Generalissimo.
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