Mythology - Page 4

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by durinsbane2244

pink and puffy? whoa...let's not go there...

*Recalls Monty Python's "Prejudice" skit*

Any one else know that? I hope Earniel doesn't...

hectorberlioz · 09-13-2006, 04:25 PM

What, does it discriminate against Belgians?

Back to Turnus: you say he is pitiable, but that is not what I read. What am I to think when even Berlioz thinks Aeneas was a jerk in the end?

EDIT: I thought Oedipus was a demigod?

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 04:31 PM

It begins with a contest to see who can come up with the most derogatory term for Belgians.

Aeneas was a jerk in the end. That does not necessitate that Turnus was portrayed as a good guy. Please, cite texts.

***Earniel*** · 09-13-2006, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

*Recalls Monty Python's "Prejudice" skit*

Any one else know that? I hope Earniel doesn't...

Oh, I do.

I thought it was actually funny, though. Must be because they laughed with practically everybody in their sketches.

Does anyone have any particular favourite mythological monster? I think mine would be dragons. Very versatile creatures. Destructive too. Great to draw.

hectorberlioz · 09-13-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eärniel

Oh, I do.

I thought it was actually funny, though. Must be because they laughed with practically everybody in their sketches.

Does anyone have any particular favourite mythological monster? I think mine would be dragons. Very versatile creatures. Destructive too. Great to draw.

Great to draw? give me a break, those guys are NOT easy to draw at all...it takes AGES to do the scales...(doremifasolatida! ad infinitum...)

I was right!

Wow, people really are mean to Belgians...

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 06:23 PM

I didn't really think you would mind it, just sorta playing the 'excessively scrupulous' part. The memory of the skit was jarred by DB's phrase 'pink and puffy'; remember that part?

And yes, destruction is great.

Personally, my favourite is probably Centaur, though Dragon is a close second.

And then of course, famous Goatstag.

hectorberlioz · 09-13-2006, 06:28 PM

Why would I care? I'm not Belgian

...
(when you said Jigglypuff, I was thinking Smashbrothers!)

I hate Goatstags...of all the losery creatures invented....what idiots.

Centaurs? Nah...though I don't mind them...I'd probably have to say dragons are the best. Or unicorns.

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 06:40 PM

*whap*

"I didn't really think you'd mind", clearly, is referring to Earniel, as I gave no indication whatsoever that Mme. Berlioz would mind. Silly foo'.

When I said Jigglypuff, I was thinking Pokemon. Gotta catch 'em all, and all that...Somehow, DB's "My Aeneid's a Fitzgerald!" struck as though it were something along those lines.

*whap*
*whap*

How DURST thou call Aristotle an idiot! Harrumph!

The Philosopher answers to no president devoid of any real power!

Unicorns are cool too. But I still say Centaurs.

hectorberlioz · 09-13-2006, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

*whap*

"I didn't really think you'd mind", clearly, is referring to Earniel, as I gave no indication whatsoever that Mme. Berlioz would mind. Silly foo'.

When I said Jigglypuff, I was thinking Pokemon. Gotta catch 'em all, and all that...Somehow, DB's "My Aeneid's a Fitzgerald!" struck as though it were something along those lines.

*whap*
*whap*

How DURST thou call Aristotle an idiot! Harrumph!

The Philosopher answers to no president devoid of any real power!

Unicorns are cool too. But I still say Centaurs.

*CAUTION: I AM RESPONDING TO GWAI'S ABOVE POST. PLEASE DO NOT THINK I AM IN ANY WAY OFFENDING ANYONE ELSE*

1) *whap*

2) *whap*

3) You posted AFTER me...Ok, I did know you were talking to Earniel

...

4) I didn't call Aristotle an idiot: I called goatstags idiots. I said they weren't good inventions, but my insults were directed to the creatures, not creator.

durinsbane2244 · 09-13-2006, 06:50 PM

"Then to his glance appeared the accurst swordbelt surmounting Turnus' shoulder, shining with its familiar studs - the strap Young Pallas wore when Turnus wounded him and left him dead upon the field; now Turnus bore that enemy token on his shoulder - enemy still. For when the sight came home to him, Aeneas raged at the relic of his anguish worn by this man as trophy. Blazing up and terrible in his anger, he called out: 'You in your plunder, torn from one of mine, shall I be robbed of you? This wound will come from Pallas: Pallas makes this offering, and from your criminal blood exacts his due.' He sank his blade in fury in Turnus' chest..."

that's where he becomes furor...

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 06:56 PM

Indeed. But I see no halo indications in regards to the area over Turnus' head.

By the way, cool side note; when it says:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitzie

He sank his blade in fury in Turnus' chest

The verb there in the Latin is condit, which means "founded".

durinsbane2244 · 09-13-2006, 07:03 PM

yeah, i never said the "halo" thing. i personally find Turnus' death justified, and exclaimed, "go Aeneis!", or some similar phrase in my head, when i read it. much as i also mourned after the death of Priam...powerful verses, those were.

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-13-2006, 07:43 PM

I know. My bone is with Hectorius.

Turnus' death may be justified, but I think it was wrong.

I know, Priam's death can move one to tears.

hectorberlioz · 09-13-2006, 08:47 PM

Now wait a minute, I never said I was rooting for Turnus. It's because I'm not rooting for him that I object to the halo-projection Dickenson put over him. I was always rooting for Aeneas, but I'm just annoyed that he has to be the bad guy at the end...

BTW, if you guys ever have the itch to: listen to Berlioz' opera Les Troyen...it ends at book four (or five), but in almost every way it is an accurate Virgil story. Virgil was one of Berlioz' literary loves, he would scream at desecration if he saw it being done to the great classics that he loved...

durinsbane2244 · 09-13-2006, 09:39 PM

hm...check the fitzgerald. i saw no halo-ization...

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-14-2006, 03:36 PM

I know, Burly, I was saying that there was no halo in the general vicinity of Turnus' as presented, contrary to your complaints, which I now gather are directed at your translation? Could you cite some text from your Dickenson, at the end, which leads you to think there is canonization of Turnus? I just have never seen it in any edition, and in order for me to have some idea of what is being discussed, I think I'll have to see text which shows that.

hectorberlioz · 09-14-2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwaimir Windgem

I know, Burly, I was saying that there was no halo in the general vicinity of Turnus' as presented, contrary to your complaints, which I now gather are directed at your translation? Could you cite some text from your Dickenson, at the end, which leads you to think there is canonization of Turnus? I just have never seen it in any edition, and in order for me to have some idea of what is being discussed, I think I'll have to see text which shows that.

I'll bring it tomorrow (I'm on campus etc...)

Meanwhile, Burly appears nowhere in the phonetic explanation of Berlioz's name. It is, BARELY-OSZ...you're thinking with German phonetics, while Berlioz is FRENCH. We don't call Bizet Bitz-ey, do we? We don't say for Boulez-Bow-letz, do we?...so cut the hurly burly

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-14-2006, 07:10 PM

Fine, I'll start calling you Barely. It needs something after it, though...hmm...how 'bout decent?

durinsbane2244 · 09-14-2006, 07:36 PM

barely presidential?

...nah, what would that say for my support of him?

anyways, i don't think Aeneis was a jerk at all...if so, than so was Achilles. that was the way of the world back then. it was normal!

Gwaimir Windgem · 09-14-2006, 07:42 PM

Achilles was a punk.

09-13-2006, 04:25 PM	#62
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	What, does it discriminate against Belgians? Back to Turnus: you say he is pitiable, but that is not what I read. What am I to think when even Berlioz thinks Aeneas was a jerk in the end? EDIT: I thought Oedipus was a demigod? __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

09-13-2006, 04:31 PM	#63
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	It begins with a contest to see who can come up with the most derogatory term for Belgians. Aeneas was a jerk in the end. That does not necessitate that Turnus was portrayed as a good guy. Please, cite texts. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-13-2006, 06:23 PM	#66
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I didn't really think you would mind it, just sorta playing the 'excessively scrupulous' part. The memory of the skit was jarred by DB's phrase 'pink and puffy'; remember that part? And yes, destruction is great. Personally, my favourite is probably Centaur, though Dragon is a close second. And then of course, famous Goatstag. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-13-2006, 06:28 PM	#67
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Why would I care? I'm not Belgian ... (when you said Jigglypuff, I was thinking Smashbrothers!) I hate Goatstags...of all the losery creatures invented....what idiots. Centaurs? Nah...though I don't mind them...I'd probably have to say dragons are the best. Or unicorns. __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide

09-13-2006, 06:40 PM	#68
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	whap "I didn't really think you'd mind", clearly, is referring to Earniel, as I gave no indication whatsoever that Mme. Berlioz would mind. Silly foo'. When I said Jigglypuff, I was thinking Pokemon. Gotta catch 'em all, and all that...Somehow, DB's "My Aeneid's a Fitzgerald!" struck as though it were something along those lines. whap whap How DURST thou call Aristotle an idiot! Harrumph! The Philosopher answers to no president devoid of any real power! Unicorns are cool too. But I still say Centaurs. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-13-2006, 06:50 PM	#70
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	"Then to his glance appeared the accurst swordbelt surmounting Turnus' shoulder, shining with its familiar studs - the strap Young Pallas wore when Turnus wounded him and left him dead upon the field; now Turnus bore that enemy token on his shoulder - enemy still. For when the sight came home to him, Aeneas raged at the relic of his anguish worn by this man as trophy. Blazing up and terrible in his anger, he called out: 'You in your plunder, torn from one of mine, shall I be robbed of you? This wound will come from Pallas: Pallas makes this offering, and from your criminal blood exacts his due.' He sank his blade in fury in Turnus' chest..." that's where he becomes furor... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-13-2006, 07:03 PM	#72
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	yeah, i never said the "halo" thing. i personally find Turnus' death justified, and exclaimed, "go Aeneis!", or some similar phrase in my head, when i read it. much as i also mourned after the death of Priam...powerful verses, those were. __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-13-2006, 07:43 PM	#73
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I know. My bone is with Hectorius. Turnus' death may be justified, but I think it was wrong. I know, Priam's death can move one to tears. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-13-2006, 08:47 PM	#74
hectorberlioz Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Lost in the Opera House Posts: 9,328	Now wait a minute, I never said I was rooting for Turnus. It's because I'm not rooting for him that I object to the halo-projection Dickenson put over him. I was always rooting for Aeneas, but I'm just annoyed that he has to be the bad guy at the end... BTW, if you guys ever have the itch to: listen to Berlioz' opera Les Troyen...it ends at book four (or five), but in almost every way it is an accurate Virgil story. Virgil was one of Berlioz' literary loves, he would scream at desecration if he saw it being done to the great classics that he loved... __________________ ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide Last edited by hectorberlioz : 09-13-2006 at 09:02 PM.

09-13-2006, 09:39 PM	#75
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	hm...check the fitzgerald. i saw no halo-ization... __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-14-2006, 03:36 PM	#76
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I know, Burly, I was saying that there was no halo in the general vicinity of Turnus' as presented, contrary to your complaints, which I now gather are directed at your translation? Could you cite some text from your Dickenson, at the end, which leads you to think there is canonization of Turnus? I just have never seen it in any edition, and in order for me to have some idea of what is being discussed, I think I'll have to see text which shows that. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-14-2006, 07:10 PM	#78
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Fine, I'll start calling you Barely. It needs something after it, though...hmm...how 'bout decent? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

09-14-2006, 07:36 PM	#79
durinsbane2244 Dreamweaver Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Misty Mountains, where the spirits go... Posts: 3,560	barely presidential? ...nah, what would that say for my support of him? anyways, i don't think Aeneis was a jerk at all...if so, than so was Achilles. that was the way of the world back then. it was normal! __________________ Lord, what fools these mortals be! ---------------- We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams, Wandering by lone sea-breakers, And sitting by desolate streams; World-losers and world-forsakers, On whom the pale moon gleams: Yet we are the movers and shakers Of the world for ever, it seems. ---------------- Shanti, shanti, shantih...

09-14-2006, 07:42 PM	#80
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Achilles was a punk. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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