Legolas and Gimli - Page 3

Lalaith · 01-28-2003, 02:39 PM

I thought Galadriel was allowed to go back to Valinor long time ago, but she did not want to.

Lalaith · 01-28-2003, 02:40 PM

And about the strange Mirkwood elves in the hobbit.
I think it was only natural that they captured the hobbits in those times. I mean Mirkwood was not really a save place and it was a good action to be suspicious against everybody.
But unfortunately in the hobbit they caught the wrong ones.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-28-2003, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I thought Galadriel was allowed to go back to Valinor long time ago, but she did not want to.

Now there, I think that she was forbidden from going back longer, because she was a leader of the Exiles.

Arien the Maia · 01-28-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Now there, I think that she was forbidden from going back longer, because she was a leader of the Exiles.

I agree...Galadriel was the last of the Noldorin Exiles and technically, the leader. She was alowed to go back in the end because she resisted the Ring.

**Nurvingiel** · 01-28-2003, 07:46 PM

I don't think anyone save Tom Bombadil is actually not tempted by the Ring, but Elrond is wise, so he knew the only thing to do was destroy the Ring.

Galadriel is also wise and saw the temptation for what it was.

Legolas was probably tempted too, but he didn't say anything about this. It wouldn't be helpful to say you were tempted when Boromir was already making it obvious he was tempted.

And Gimli must have been tempted too, especially since he loves jewellery and precious metals. But he didn't say anyting either, because he also resisted the temptation that he must have faced.

Elf Girl · 01-28-2003, 08:53 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
And Gimli must have been tempted too, especially since he loves jewellery and precious metals.

Good points! I never thought of that.

Lalaith · 01-29-2003, 02:15 PM

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I agree...Galadriel was the last of the Noldorin Exiles and technically, the leader. She was alowed to go back in the end because she resisted the Ring.

I think I have to re-read the part of Galadriel and Celeborn in the Unfinished tales.

The Lady of the Wood · 02-01-2003, 10:55 PM

in FOTR, it says that when the company left lothlorien, legolas and gimli had become fast friends

Lalaith · 02-02-2003, 01:53 PM

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in FOTR, it says that when the company left lothlorien, legolas and gimli had become fast friends

Fast friends?

Falagar · 02-02-2003, 02:10 PM

The discussion about Galadriel is pretty compelx...
I think Tolkien in the beginning meant that she was forbidden to travel to Aman, but later on changed his mind (this, I think, is in UT)

Lalaith · 02-02-2003, 02:15 PM

I just read that again in the books, that Galadriel actually was allowed to go back long before the war of the ring, but she didn't want to. I think she was kind of too proud.

Falagar · 02-02-2003, 02:42 PM

Yes, that was probably Tolkien's latter idea. The first idea (the one in LotR) was that she wasn't permitted entrance to Aman (this is seen in the song Namarië)...

(I think

)

Narsil's Master · 02-02-2003, 04:01 PM

i think that Legolas and gimli are just good friends but in the end of ttt movie frodo and sam were freaking me out!

**Nurvingiel** · 02-02-2003, 08:46 PM

Off topic, but don't be freaked out by Frodo and Sam

! They have the kind of friendship that we can't understand in today's society.

Even though, I don't think we can truly understand Legolas and Gimli's friendship either. They would do anything for each other. Can any of us say we would do anything for a friend?

Wayfarer · 02-02-2003, 11:36 PM

I would.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-02-2003, 11:40 PM

D'oh!

madrobin · 02-03-2003, 01:12 AM

Hi, about all the confusion re Galadriel, I think Tolkien had at least one change of mind. In LOTR she saw forbidden to return as leader of the exiles, in Unfinished Tales she is allowed to return and chooses to stay to be the Lady of Lothlorien [plus he had her marriage a few different ways too...] She was not without ambition to lead.
And re Legolas & Gimli, Frodo & Samwise, those very close and intense friendships were a big part of Tolkien's life at school and Oxford, right? And the Inklings...anyone read Charles Williams???

Lalaith · 02-03-2003, 02:46 PM

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Off topic, but don't be freaked out by Frodo and Sam ! They have the kind of friendship that we can't understand in today's society.

I liked the friendship between Sam and Frodo, it seemed so pure and sweet. But I always thought it was strange, that still in the end Sam called Frodo his boss, although they are the best friends now.
And I think that people who only see the movie or read only certain parts of the book could think that Sam and Frodo are gay.

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Even though, I don't think we can truly understand Legolas and Gimli's friendship either. They would do anything for each other. Can any of us say we would do anything for a friend?

I would do, but not for the friends I have now. but I certainly would do anything for my mother or my sister and maybe in future for my friends.
But yeah, the idea of such different personaliteis beeing the best friends seems rather strange to us.

Lalaith_Elf · 02-03-2003, 03:32 PM

i like frodo and sams friendship, probably because i have one like it.

Lalaith_Elf · 02-03-2003, 03:35 PM

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Even though, I don't think we can truly understand Legolas and Gimli's friendship either. They would do anything for each other. Can any of us say we would do anything for a friend?

i would do anything for my friends and they would back..... perhaps that is why everyone says i should be an elf.

01-28-2003, 02:39 PM	#41
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I thought Galadriel was allowed to go back to Valinor long time ago, but she did not want to. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

01-28-2003, 02:40 PM	#42
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	And about the strange Mirkwood elves in the hobbit. I think it was only natural that they captured the hobbits in those times. I mean Mirkwood was not really a save place and it was a good action to be suspicious against everybody. But unfortunately in the hobbit they caught the wrong ones. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

02-02-2003, 02:10 PM	#50
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	The discussion about Galadriel is pretty compelx... I think Tolkien in the beginning meant that she was forbidden to travel to Aman, but later on changed his mind (this, I think, is in UT) __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

02-02-2003, 02:15 PM	#51
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I just read that again in the books, that Galadriel actually was allowed to go back long before the war of the ring, but she didn't want to. I think she was kind of too proud. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

02-02-2003, 02:42 PM	#52
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	Yes, that was probably Tolkien's latter idea. The first idea (the one in LotR) was that she wasn't permitted entrance to Aman (this is seen in the song Namarië)... (I think ) __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle. Last edited by Falagar : 02-02-2003 at 04:24 PM.

02-01-2003, 10:55 PM	#48
The Lady of the Wood Enting Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the dark side of the moon Posts: 89	in FOTR, it says that when the company left lothlorien, legolas and gimli had become fast friends

02-02-2003, 04:01 PM	#53
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	i think that Legolas and gimli are just good friends but in the end of ttt movie frodo and sam were freaking me out! __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-02-2003, 11:36 PM	#55
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I would. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-02-2003, 11:40 PM	#56
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	D'oh! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-03-2003, 01:12 AM	#57
madrobin Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 17	Re: Galadriel, & Frodo & Samwise Hi, about all the confusion re Galadriel, I think Tolkien had at least one change of mind. In LOTR she saw forbidden to return as leader of the exiles, in Unfinished Tales she is allowed to return and chooses to stay to be the Lady of Lothlorien [plus he had her marriage a few different ways too...] She was not without ambition to lead. And re Legolas & Gimli, Frodo & Samwise, those very close and intense friendships were a big part of Tolkien's life at school and Oxford, right? And the Inklings...anyone read Charles Williams??? __________________ madrobin not all who wander are lost

02-03-2003, 03:32 PM	#59
Lalaith_Elf Her Infernal Majesty Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,188	i like frodo and sams friendship, probably because i have one like it. __________________ "It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo

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