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04-13-2003, 04:39 PM | #21 |
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Maybe there is no particular reason that he never calls his name.
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04-13-2003, 06:40 PM | #22 |
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I'm TELLING you, it's a formal thing!
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'There was no need. He halted just by us and looked down at us. "Gandalf!" I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: "Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!" No, indeed! He said: "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took! Where, in the name of wonder, in all this ruin is Treebeard? I want him. Quick!"' 'What are we going to do now then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows. "Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf. 'But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words.' 'Fool of a Took!' he growled. 'This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!' |
04-14-2003, 08:21 PM | #23 | |
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I think Gimli actually says "Let him go lad." Oh well. I haven't seen it for a couple of weeks anyway. Last edited by Pippin's_mushrooms : 04-14-2003 at 08:24 PM. |
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04-15-2003, 05:35 AM | #24 |
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I guess we should write a mail to PJ or Fran Walsh or Philippa Boyens.
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04-15-2003, 12:08 PM | #25 |
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I like the way that legolas and gimili refer to each other in the movie im not a fan of normality. The only people that call me by my real name are clients and my mum and dad but my dad tends to call me son most of the time. I dont think friends ever really refer to each other in names such as David etc. My sis calls me boy, amy calls me dad (well when se can talk shes never gonna call me daddy hate that), Vita calls me lover and my mates call me sween
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04-15-2003, 03:37 PM | #26 |
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Ah great, now I've got Wayne and Waynetta Slob stuck in my head... "Lovaaaar"
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04-16-2003, 02:08 PM | #27 |
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My take on it:
Gimli and Legolas begin the tale as people who are intolerant of each other's differences. There is a long hostility among them, ut it wasn't always so. Remember that the password to enter Moria is the elvish word for "friend", but at the Council of Elrond Gimli says he will not see the One Ring "in the hands of an elf!" This is a very important theme to Tolkien. Over the course of the movie, as in the book, we are shown the hostility between the two peoples, dwarves and elves, through the interactions of Gimli and Legolas. At first they speak negatively about each other to other people. Eventually they have a competition of who is the fiercer warrior during the Battle of Helm's Deep. By the end of the second movie, and the second (technically third) book, the hostility has cooled to a rivalry. They are not really friends until they both do something that will not be in the movies: see through each other's eyes. This is enacted in the book through the physical reality of the Glittering Caves and Fangorn Forest. So, what I'm saying, if it isn't obvious, is that Gimli doesn't use Legolas' name as a way of de-humanizing (de-person-izing?) him. For Legolas' part, he spends a lot of time laughing at "the dwarf" and it's pretty obvious he doesn't even take him seriously. I am sure Jackson and the writers are aware of the theme and will use Gimli's concession that Legolas actually does have a name as an easy way of showing that he has come to like "the elf." I did notice that the caves shimmer with sparklies... maybe it will be part of the extended edition.
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04-18-2003, 10:50 AM | #28 |
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This is a shortened piece straight from the chapter of the Lord of the Rings that I was reading last night:
'Not of all that go on two legs,' said Legolas. 'There I think you are wrong... From the deep dales of Fangorn, Gimli, that is whence they come, I guess.' 'Strange are the ways of Men, Legolas!' said Gimli. '... My good Legolas, do you know the caverns of Helm's Deep are vast and beautiful? ... And, Legolas, when the torches are kindled... ah! then, Legolas, gems and crystals and veins of precious ore glint... columns of white and saffron and dawn-rose, Legolas... There is chamber after chamber, Legolas... it makes me weep to leave them." 'Then I wish you this fortune for your comfort, Gimli,' said the Elf. '... you move me, Gimli." This obviously proves that they do it in the book. If you're still wondering why they don't do it in the movie, call up Peter Jackson or something.
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'There was no need. He halted just by us and looked down at us. "Gandalf!" I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: "Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!" No, indeed! He said: "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took! Where, in the name of wonder, in all this ruin is Treebeard? I want him. Quick!"' 'What are we going to do now then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows. "Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf. 'But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words.' 'Fool of a Took!' he growled. 'This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!' |
04-18-2003, 12:58 PM | #29 |
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I am confused. Did you read my post? Are you supporting my point? Because it sure looks like that is the section I refered to. It is at that point that they begin to become friends. Should I go find the evidence in the book that they are intolerant of each other before this point?
And, this is a discussion of Peter Jackson's movie and the question was about the script and the motives of the script writer. So I hope you see why I'm confused.
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04-18-2003, 02:09 PM | #30 |
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I think Straight face was referring to the thread starter's question, and he was saying that they DID call each other by name in the book, but it is true (I think) that the thread starter was talking about why they don't (if they don't; I don't really remember) in the movie. Hope that clears up some confusion.
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04-18-2003, 04:23 PM | #31 | |
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If this was about the 'script and the motives of the script writer', the original thread should have said that.
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'There was no need. He halted just by us and looked down at us. "Gandalf!" I said at last, but my voice was only a whisper. Did he say: "Hullo, Pippin! This is a pleasant surprise!" No, indeed! He said: "Get up, you tom-fool of a Took! Where, in the name of wonder, in all this ruin is Treebeard? I want him. Quick!"' 'What are we going to do now then?' asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows. "Knock on the door with your head, Peregrin Took,' said Gandalf. 'But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words.' 'Fool of a Took!' he growled. 'This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking-party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance. Now be quiet!' Last edited by straight_face : 04-18-2003 at 04:25 PM. |
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04-18-2003, 04:34 PM | #32 |
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Well that would be why the thread was placed in the movie forum, maybe?
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04-18-2003, 05:14 PM | #33 | |
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Re: Why do you think Gimli never calls Legolas by name?
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No problem, straight, that you got the forums confused. Happens all the time.
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04-18-2003, 06:23 PM | #34 |
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No no no that's too complicated for me. I think it was just for humour. It was really up to the script writer whoever that was, and for some reason I don't think that they'd go so deep.
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04-18-2003, 06:40 PM | #35 |
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i love it when Gimli calls Legolas "master elf" or "the elf" in the Fellowship of the Ring! Gimli is so funny!
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04-19-2003, 04:39 PM | #38 | |
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