How Many Black Riders?

LutraMage · 06-09-2003, 03:46 PM

I've frozen the DVD and counted several times, but each time I can only see Eight Black Riders chasing Arwen & Frodo to the Fords - surely I must be mistaken???

Has anyone else noticed this?

(Sorry if this has already been remarked upon before).

HobbitChick88 · 06-09-2003, 03:56 PM

I heard somewhere that the ninth Ringwraith, the Witch king, was waiting at the ford and he joined them there. Someone might correct me on that, but I think that's right.

Lady of Rohan · 06-09-2003, 05:33 PM

Hmm.... I never noticed that before (never really looked before). I know that when (at the beggining) they are talking about the nine rings for mortal men and then show the picture, there are nine.

Elf Girl · 06-09-2003, 05:34 PM

There were 5 riders chasing Strider and the hobbits, and 4 waiting in ambush at the ford. I don't know why you could only see eight. I never counted.

Salquënòrëwen · 06-09-2003, 05:39 PM

Well, it's another reason to watch FOTR again!!!

Cirdan · 06-09-2003, 05:43 PM

In the movie there are only 7 chasing Arwen and eight at the ford. I guess one was home sick that day.

Rosie Gamgee · 06-09-2003, 06:20 PM

I have a LOTR poster (which I got for FREE because it was one of the display ones in a department store [much more durable and it will be more valuable in years to come- not that I'd get rid of it.]), and at the bottom it has- besides the words 'Coming on DVD and VHS August 6 2002'

-, the Ringwraiths at the Ford of Bruinen, and I can only count eight in the picture.
P.S. Didn't somebody in the director/screenwriter commentary on the EE of FOTR say that the ninth one joins them at the Ford?

gimli7410 · 06-09-2003, 07:43 PM

who knows PJ always does things his way

Ruinel · 06-10-2003, 10:36 AM

hmmmm... if I might offer a suggestion: read the book.

LutraMage · 06-10-2003, 12:12 PM

Quote from Elf Girl

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There were 5 riders chasing Strider and the hobbits, and 4 waiting in ambush at the ford. I don't know why you could only see eight. I never counted.

Quote from Ruinel

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hmmmm... if I might offer a suggestion: read the book.

Yes, well having read the book more than thirty times (thanks Ruinel

) I agree with Elf Girl that the Book has five riders chasing Frodo (although not Strider, Glorfindel and the hobbits, who come up behind the riders) and four waiting in ambush at the Ford who try to cut Frodo off. But in the film PJ doesn't follow the book and has apparently all the riders chasing Arwen & Frodo, so why leave just one of the nine out?

Maybe, as HobbitChick88 says, the intention was to have the Witchking ambush them at the Ford, but it was later decided to cut that out of the film. But even at the Ford there only appear to be 8 riders (thought it is hard to count them as the camera angles constantly change) and certainly, even in the extended DVD version, there is no sign of a 9th rider waiting at the Fords.

Cute_Elfik · 06-28-2003, 06:59 PM

It was really only eight riders!!!I do not know where was the last...and it isn't all......Arwen said that five of them were something like injured and didn't follow them.Why is that!?...Or am I don't get her right!?(It is a posobility!....so don't pay attention)
And when the riders where just going where is the ring....they also were only eight!

Elf Girl · 06-29-2003, 12:03 PM

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Arwen: There are five wraiths behind you. Where the other four are, I do not know...

Spock · 06-30-2003, 02:16 PM

I believe when they got to the fjord, the ninth joined them as he's the one who spoke and against whom the waves rose.

LutraMage · 06-30-2003, 05:35 PM

Could be Spock, could be. It just seems strange that they didn't show him waiting, or joining with the others. Ah, I guess it will just have to remain one of life's little mysteries - unless one of you guys gets some insider information.

Cirdan · 06-30-2003, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Spock
I believe when they got to the fjord, the ninth joined them as he's the one who spoke and against whom the waves rose.

Nope. I went frame by frame. No late comers or Vikings

***Jonathan*** · 07-06-2003, 05:06 AM

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Originally posted by Cirdan
Nope. I went frame by frame. No late comers or Vikings

Vikings in the fjord

LutraMage · 07-06-2003, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by Jonathan
Vikings in the fjord

Jonathan, did you really say that?!?!?!? Groan

***IronParrot*** · 07-08-2003, 02:14 PM

There are nine chasing Arwen.

I very clearly remember it - the defining frame is when they chase her across the open plain, and are in triangular formation.

Cirdan · 07-08-2003, 02:54 PM

Well, I check it frame by frame on the DVD and there are only eight.

Elf Girl · 07-12-2003, 03:54 PM

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Originally posted by IronParrot
There are nine chasing Arwen.

I very clearly remember it - the defining frame is when they chase her across the open plain, and are in triangular formation.

Sorry, only eight. Count 'em yourself:

06-09-2003, 03:46 PM	#1
LutraMage Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tolkien's England where the tale grew in the telling... Posts: 330	How Many Black Riders? I've frozen the DVD and counted several times, but each time I can only see Eight Black Riders chasing Arwen & Frodo to the Fords - surely I must be mistaken??? Has anyone else noticed this? (Sorry if this has already been remarked upon before). __________________ "Pity? It was Pity that stayed his hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And he has been well rewarded, Frodo. Be sure that he took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because he began his ownership of the Ring so, with Pity." "Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends." "Very well,' he answered aloud, lowering his sword. 'But still I am afraid. And yet, as you see, I will not touch the creature. For now that I see him, I do pity him." Last edited by LutraMage : 06-09-2003 at 03:48 PM.

06-09-2003, 03:56 PM	#2
HobbitChick88 Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 237	I heard somewhere that the ninth Ringwraith, the Witch king, was waiting at the ford and he joined them there. Someone might correct me on that, but I think that's right. __________________ "Elvish singing is not a thing to miss, in June under the stars..." ~The Hobbit "And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whose you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." -Joshua 24:15 Step follows step, Hope follows courage. Set your face toward danger Set your heart on victory! "Where is Elizabeth?" "She's safe, just like I promised. She's all set to marry Norrington just like she promised, and you get to die for her just like you promised. So we're all men of our word, really....except for Elizabeth who is, in fact, a woman." ~Will Turner and Jack Sparrow, POTC fROdO LIVeS!!!!

06-09-2003, 05:34 PM	#4
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	There were 5 riders chasing Strider and the hobbits, and 4 waiting in ambush at the ford. I don't know why you could only see eight. I never counted. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

06-09-2003, 05:43 PM	#6
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	In the movie there are only 7 chasing Arwen and eight at the ford. I guess one was home sick that day. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

06-09-2003, 06:20 PM	#7
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	I have a LOTR poster (which I got for FREE because it was one of the display ones in a department store [much more durable and it will be more valuable in years to come- not that I'd get rid of it.]), and at the bottom it has- besides the words 'Coming on DVD and VHS August 6 2002' -, the Ringwraiths at the Ford of Bruinen, and I can only count eight in the picture. P.S. Didn't somebody in the director/screenwriter commentary on the EE of FOTR say that the ninth one joins them at the Ford? __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

06-09-2003, 05:33 PM	#3
Lady of Rohan Doughy Elf Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 1,006	Hmm.... I never noticed that before (never really looked before). I know that when (at the beggining) they are talking about the nine rings for mortal men and then show the picture, there are nine.

06-09-2003, 05:39 PM	#5
Salquënòrëwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 290	Well, it's another reason to watch FOTR again!!!

06-09-2003, 07:43 PM	#8
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	who knows PJ always does things his way __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

06-10-2003, 10:36 AM	#9
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	hmmmm... if I might offer a suggestion: read the book.

06-28-2003, 06:59 PM	#11
Cute_Elfik Sapling Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Israel(From Russia) Posts: 7	......you are speaking true...... It was really only eight riders!!!I do not know where was the last...and it isn't all......Arwen said that five of them were something like injured and didn't follow them.Why is that!?...Or am I don't get her right!?(It is a posobility!....so don't pay attention) And when the riders where just going where is the ring....they also were only eight! __________________ Just Elf from Mirkwood!!! Have troubles with Quenya!!! Namarie!!!

06-30-2003, 02:16 PM	#13
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	I believe when they got to the fjord, the ninth joined them as he's the one who spoke and against whom the waves rose. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

06-30-2003, 05:35 PM	#14
LutraMage Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Tolkien's England where the tale grew in the telling... Posts: 330	Could be Spock, could be. It just seems strange that they didn't show him waiting, or joining with the others. Ah, I guess it will just have to remain one of life's little mysteries - unless one of you guys gets some insider information.

07-08-2003, 02:14 PM	#18
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	There are nine chasing Arwen. I very clearly remember it - the defining frame is when they chase her across the open plain, and are in triangular formation. __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

07-08-2003, 02:54 PM	#19
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Well, I check it frame by frame on the DVD and there are only eight. __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

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