Accents

Eowyn, Lady of Rohan · 02-04-2003, 04:42 PM

I noticed that Pipin has a sort of scottish accent. Sam has a strong accent, and Frodo has a soft accent. (I think Elijah Wood is terrible at English accents)

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 04:45 PM

He certainly is bad at rolling his Elvish 'r's.

Dunadan · 02-04-2003, 05:19 PM

Yeah, I noticed that. Pippin is Scots, Merry and Sam are West Country, Frodo is posh. Where are all the Irish and Welsh in Middle-Earth??

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 05:36 PM

In Middle-Wales and Middle-Ireland.

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 02-04-2003, 05:49 PM

pippins is sooo big, in the xtended scene where the hobbits are singing,you cant understan wut hes saying!

Shadowfax · 02-04-2003, 08:41 PM

There were different regions of the Shire.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 09:14 PM

Not very big ones; it was a small country.

Gorhiriel · 02-04-2003, 11:42 PM

Aragorn also has a bit of an accent

Diamond · 02-04-2003, 11:49 PM

If you have ever seen the version of "Oliver Twist" where Elijah Wood plays the Dodger, you will thank your lucky stars that his accent improved from then to now. I don't know accents (to me English is English, Irish is Irish, Scottish is Scottish, and Welsh is Welsh and sometimes I even mix some up >_<), but believe me... Elijah Wood's has improved times one hundred at least.

Of course... like my band director says, one hundred times zero is still zero... :-X

Di

BeardofPants · 02-05-2003, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Not very big ones; it was a small country.

IIRC, it is the size of England. Not that small... plus, look at the regional variation of England.

Lanelf · 02-05-2003, 01:36 AM

Wow. I didn't know such different accents could evolve, or whatever, in the space of the Shire! Of course, this is coming from a person that everyone keeps saying has a slight English accent. And used to have a lisp. And has NEVER LEFT AUSTRALIA.
And Aragorn's accent - probably came from wandering all over the place and picking up a bit of accent here, a bit there, etc.
Lanelf.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-05-2003, 01:56 AM

Though he grew up in Rivendell.

Yes, but England is an island; while I'm no expert, I would think that being cut off from other cultures would cause "subcultures" to grow up in the country.

Dunadan · 02-05-2003, 05:39 AM

I really liked the way they did the accents. Note that the Elves all had pretty much the same accent: their immortality presumably meaning that language did not fragment in the same way. However, the hobbits, being much more settled and "of the earth", all have different accents. Similarly, those men of Numenorean descent have similar accent to the Elves. It might also account for Frodo's "elvish air" that he spoke like them.

Maybe they could've given the Rohirrim a different way of speaking (Eomer: "G'day mate. Got any stubbies in that eskie?)

What accent should they have given them?

cheers

d.

BeardofPants · 02-05-2003, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem

Yes, but England is an island; while I'm no expert, I would think that being cut off from other cultures would cause "subcultures" to grow up in the country.

It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

Miranda · 02-05-2003, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dunadan
I really liked the way they did the accents. Note that the Elves all had pretty much the same accent: their immortality presumably meaning that language did not fragment in the same way. However, the hobbits, being much more settled and "of the earth", all have different accents. Similarly, those men of Numenorean descent have similar accent to the Elves. It might also account for Frodo's "elvish air" that he spoke like them.

Maybe they could've given the Rohirrim a different way of speaking (Eomer: "G'day mate. Got any stubbies in that eskie?)

What accent should they have given them?

cheers

d.

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Millane · 02-05-2003, 07:57 AM

i dunno bout everyone elses accent but they deliberately had Pippin keep his accent... ill have to post later coz a mate has my dvd but they said somewhere in the Directors commentary about it.

Dwarven Sen · 02-05-2003, 08:03 AM

Billy Boyd is the most eligible man in scotland. I'm going to go to uni there.

Why do they say morrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrr? I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why?
I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.

Miranda · 02-05-2003, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dwarven Sen
Billy Boyd is the most eligible man in scotland. I'm going to go to uni there.
Why do they say morrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrr? I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why?
I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.

Maybe its because quite a few of the settlers in AMerica were of Irish origin. Also southern Irish is far softer and easier to imitate than Scottish or Welsh. As for english, I would imagine it could be easier but then it depends on what accent. The West Country accent is actually closer to the american dialect than anything else so my drama teacher tells me- maybe that's why Sean A was so good as Sam! Mx

FrodoFriend · 02-05-2003, 09:52 AM

There is actually an explanation of Middle Earth accents in the Appendices, and I think it's pretty cool that they represented this in the movies too. In this case it's a "Good one, PJ!" from me. The Shire was sort of an equivalent to England, and their speech is said in LotR to sound strange, different from the Westron of other peoples.

Dwarven Sen · 02-05-2003, 10:31 AM

Still sounds funny to me.

02-04-2003, 04:42 PM	#1
Eowyn, Lady of Rohan The Evil One Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: here, on the moot Posts: 804	Accents I noticed that Pipin has a sort of scottish accent. Sam has a strong accent, and Frodo has a soft accent. (I think Elijah Wood is terrible at English accents)

02-04-2003, 04:45 PM	#2
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	He certainly is bad at rolling his Elvish 'r's. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 05:36 PM	#4
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	In Middle-Wales and Middle-Ireland. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 05:49 PM	#5
Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn The Elven Queen Of All Pyros Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Im like a little bug stuck in the lamp...never going anywhere Posts: 795	pippins is sooo big, in the xtended scene where the hobbits are singing,you cant understan wut hes saying! __________________ Would you judge my future based on what i did in the past? Procrastinators Unite!!!.....tomorrrow.... Kids in backseats cause accidents...accidents in backseats cause kids As long as there are tests..there will be prayers in school

02-04-2003, 08:41 PM	#6
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	There were different regions of the Shire. __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

02-04-2003, 05:19 PM	#3
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Yeah, I noticed that. Pippin is Scots, Merry and Sam are West Country, Frodo is posh. Where are all the Irish and Welsh in Middle-Earth??

02-04-2003, 09:14 PM	#7
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Not very big ones; it was a small country. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 11:42 PM	#8
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	Accents Aragorn also has a bit of an accent __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

02-04-2003, 11:49 PM	#9
Diamond Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Minas Tirith Posts: 45	If you have ever seen the version of "Oliver Twist" where Elijah Wood plays the Dodger, you will thank your lucky stars that his accent improved from then to now. I don't know accents (to me English is English, Irish is Irish, Scottish is Scottish, and Welsh is Welsh and sometimes I even mix some up >_<), but believe me... Elijah Wood's has improved times one hundred at least. Of course... like my band director says, one hundred times zero is still zero... :-X Di __________________ I see in your eyes the fear that would take the heart of me... There will be a day when the strength of men fails, but it is not this day!" "He was twitching!" "He was twitching because he has my axe embedded in his nervous system!"

02-05-2003, 01:36 AM	#11
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Wow. I didn't know such different accents could evolve, or whatever, in the space of the Shire! Of course, this is coming from a person that everyone keeps saying has a slight English accent. And used to have a lisp. And has NEVER LEFT AUSTRALIA. And Aragorn's accent - probably came from wandering all over the place and picking up a bit of accent here, a bit there, etc. Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

02-05-2003, 01:56 AM	#12
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Though he grew up in Rivendell. Yes, but England is an island; while I'm no expert, I would think that being cut off from other cultures would cause "subcultures" to grow up in the country. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-05-2003, 05:39 AM	#13
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	I really liked the way they did the accents. Note that the Elves all had pretty much the same accent: their immortality presumably meaning that language did not fragment in the same way. However, the hobbits, being much more settled and "of the earth", all have different accents. Similarly, those men of Numenorean descent have similar accent to the Elves. It might also account for Frodo's "elvish air" that he spoke like them. Maybe they could've given the Rohirrim a different way of speaking (Eomer: "G'day mate. Got any stubbies in that eskie?) What accent should they have given them? cheers d.

02-05-2003, 07:57 AM	#16
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	i dunno bout everyone elses accent but they deliberately had Pippin keep his accent... ill have to post later coz a mate has my dvd but they said somewhere in the Directors commentary about it. __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

02-05-2003, 08:03 AM	#17
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	Billy Boyd is the most eligible man in scotland. I'm going to go to uni there. Why do they say morrrrrrrrdorrrrrrrrr? I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why? I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

02-05-2003, 09:52 AM	#19
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	There is actually an explanation of Middle Earth accents in the Appendices, and I think it's pretty cool that they represented this in the movies too. In this case it's a "Good one, PJ!" from me. The Shire was sort of an equivalent to England, and their speech is said in LotR to sound strange, different from the Westron of other peoples. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

02-05-2003, 10:31 AM	#20
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	Still sounds funny to me. __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

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