Need a little help with Quenya

CaranIstar · 03-10-2002, 12:06 PM

I'm working on making a translation of a particular quote into Quenya.... and it's not going very well, cos I havent had the time to read all the course material

Here's the quote:

"If anger is a gift, then I have been blessed( or "then my gift is great.)"

So far, all I've managed to cobble together is

If "arwa-anger" na anna(,) then annamya na alta.

Please tell me if my understanding of how it all goes together is totally out of whack, and translations of If, Then, and Anger in the above context.

Thanks. feel free to email me responses at methuselah_999@hotmail.com

Ñólendil · 03-10-2002, 12:30 PM

I recommend this source. It may take you some time to research enough to be able to write your sentence, but it will help you.

Laurelyn · 03-10-2002, 05:16 PM

This is the attempt of someone who's only on lesson five:
Nai aha ná anna, haryanyë alta aman.
(should be literally "Be it that rage is a gift, I have great blessings.")
Anybody who spots a mistake in this please tell me . . . I can only get better . . .

Legolas · 03-11-2002, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Laurelyn
This is the attempt of someone who's only on lesson five:
Nai aha ná anna, harya alta aman.
(should be literally "Be it that rage is a gift, I have great blessings.")
Anybody who spots a mistake in this please tell me . . . I can only get better . . .

'I have' should be 'haryanye'.
And 'I have been' should be like 'annaienye' or something. The word 'to be' is very strange when coming to changing.

Laurelyn · 03-11-2002, 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Legolas
'I have' should be 'haryanye'.
And 'I have been' should be like 'annaienye' or something. The word 'to be' is very strange when coming to changing.

Thanks . . . What can I say, I'm trying! And you're right, I left the ending off haryanyë. Oops . . . I'm gonna go change that now.

Legolas · 03-11-2002, 08:15 AM

Not at all. I'm also a newbie to Quenya.
Anyway, it's good to see that many people are studying Quenya and becoming better and better everyday.

Nurancaiel · 03-11-2002, 11:27 AM

Where do you guy's get this stuff? What lesson's? Please give me a source. I am so new. I'm almost done with the book. Please send help to this pitiful child

Legolas · 03-11-2002, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nurancaiel
Where do you guy's get this stuff? What lesson's? Please give me a source. I am so new. I'm almost done with the book. Please send help to this pitiful child

Ardalambion
Here you are. Enjoy!

Ërendil · 03-11-2002, 05:45 PM

I really need help with Quenya pronunciation. (I'm only pn lesson 1 and it is so difficult. How do you pronounce the letters with the umlouts above them?

Legolas · 03-12-2002, 12:53 PM

Umleuts are not pronounced differently. They just indicate that this letter is pronounced separately.
I.E. you see 'ie', you may pronounce it like in German, getting 'ee' sound.
BUT, if you see 'ie' with an umleut above 'e', you must pronounce 'i-e', two sounds.

Wayfarer · 03-12-2002, 07:04 PM

I believe that anger is ruth (aranruth) and man (manwe, aman) is blessed.

Those are both used by Noldor, so I'd think they're quenya. Could be sindarin, though.

Well... I'm pretty sure that Man is Quenyan... But I guess Ruth is sindarin.

Cirdan · 03-13-2002, 02:23 AM

Go the distance...

http://www.geocities.com/fontwizard/tengwar/index.html

Nurancaiel · 03-13-2002, 11:46 AM

Thanx very much Legolas!!! I need to download now
Salamat po!!! that's Tagalog(philipino) for thanx
Nuranâiel

Cirdan · 03-13-2002, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nurancaiel
Thanx very much Legolas!!! I need to download now
Salamat po!!! that's Tagalog(philipino) for thanx
Nuranâiel

walawalan (sp?) pagasa

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-13-2002, 11:59 PM

I too have a Quenya question. . .

I want to say "dark-star" or "shadow-star." Would that be 'mor-elen?' Or am I completely (or partly, or at all) wrong?

Ñólendil · 03-14-2002, 01:40 AM

Depends on what kind of star you're looking for. The word for an actual star in space is 'elen', the 'poetic' word for star is 'él'. There is also 'tinwe': 'spark', but this is properly only used of the lights in the Dome of Varda on Taniquetil. She made a dome of lights in imitation of the heavens. The adjectives you need here are morë 'dark, darkness' and morna 'dark, black'. 'Mor' is Sindarin.

Moriél might be a good name meaning "Dark-star".

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-14-2002, 01:48 AM

Thank you so much Nolendil!! That was really helpful! Thanks!
It's for a film I'm making. . .and being an obsessed Tolkien fan, the main character is an obsessed Tolkien fan. . .she's also a vampire, but that's beside the point. Anyway, thanks for the help with the Quenya. You probably didn't need all those details about my wierd films.

TinuvielChild · 03-14-2002, 11:31 PM

weird films are, by definition, cool films (especially if they include one or more of the following elements:anything Tolkien, vampires, sci-fi special effects, or aliens)...except for the really truly weird films that are quite definitely not cool.

Ërendil · 03-15-2002, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Legolas
Umleuts are not pronounced differently. They just indicate that this letter is pronounced separately.
I.E. you see 'ie', you may pronounce it like in German, getting 'ee' sound.
BUT, if you see 'ie' with an umleut above 'e', you must pronounce 'i-e', two sounds.

Thanks Legolas

Eruviel Greenleaf · 03-15-2002, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TinuvielChild
weird films are, by definition, cool films (especially if they include one or more of the following elements:anything Tolkien, vampires, sci-fi special effects, or aliens)...except for the really truly weird films that are quite definitely not cool.

Yes, *wierd* films can be cool. That's why I am setting out to make one! And of course involving Tolkien and vampires!

Speaking of really wierd films, anyone seen Delicatessan (sp?) It's French, it's quite good but awfully wierd. Oh, dear, I am getting off subject. I better stop! Quick! Talk about Quenya!

03-10-2002, 12:06 PM	#1
CaranIstar Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 32	Need a little help with Quenya I'm working on making a translation of a particular quote into Quenya.... and it's not going very well, cos I havent had the time to read all the course material Here's the quote: "If anger is a gift, then I have been blessed( or "then my gift is great.)" So far, all I've managed to cobble together is If "arwa-anger" na anna(,) then annamya na alta. Please tell me if my understanding of how it all goes together is totally out of whack, and translations of If, Then, and Anger in the above context. Thanks. feel free to email me responses at methuselah_999@hotmail.com

03-10-2002, 12:30 PM	#2
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I recommend this source. It may take you some time to research enough to be able to write your sentence, but it will help you. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-10-2002, 05:16 PM	#3
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	This is the attempt of someone who's only on lesson five: Nai aha ná anna, haryanyë alta aman. (should be literally "Be it that rage is a gift, I have great blessings.") Anybody who spots a mistake in this please tell me . . . I can only get better . . . __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka Last edited by Laurelyn : 03-11-2002 at 07:06 AM.

03-11-2002, 08:15 AM	#6
Legolas Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 171	Not at all. I'm also a newbie to Quenya. Anyway, it's good to see that many people are studying Quenya and becoming better and better everyday. __________________ Legolas - a stupid stubborn elf

03-11-2002, 11:27 AM	#7
Nurancaiel Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murrieta Califorina Posts: 8	Please help! Where do you guy's get this stuff? What lesson's? Please give me a source. I am so new. I'm almost done with the book. Please send help to this pitiful child __________________ Nurancaiel Nai Tiruvantel ar varyuvantel I valar tielyanna nuvilya

03-11-2002, 05:45 PM	#9
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I really need help with Quenya pronunciation. (I'm only pn lesson 1 and it is so difficult. How do you pronounce the letters with the umlouts above them? __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

03-12-2002, 12:53 PM	#10
Legolas Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania Posts: 171	Umleuts are not pronounced differently. They just indicate that this letter is pronounced separately. I.E. you see 'ie', you may pronounce it like in German, getting 'ee' sound. BUT, if you see 'ie' with an umleut above 'e', you must pronounce 'i-e', two sounds. __________________ Legolas - a stupid stubborn elf

03-12-2002, 07:04 PM	#11
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I believe that anger is ruth (aranruth) and man (manwe, aman) is blessed. Those are both used by Noldor, so I'd think they're quenya. Could be sindarin, though. Well... I'm pretty sure that Man is Quenyan... But I guess Ruth is sindarin. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned Last edited by Wayfarer : 03-12-2002 at 07:09 PM.

03-13-2002, 02:23 AM	#12
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Go the distance... http://www.geocities.com/fontwizard/tengwar/index.html __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

03-13-2002, 11:46 AM	#13
Nurancaiel Sapling Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Murrieta Califorina Posts: 8	Thanx very much Legolas!!! I need to download now Salamat po!!! that's Tagalog(philipino) for thanx Nuranâiel __________________ Nurancaiel Nai Tiruvantel ar varyuvantel I valar tielyanna nuvilya

03-13-2002, 11:59 PM	#15
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I too have a Quenya question. . . I want to say "dark-star" or "shadow-star." Would that be 'mor-elen?' Or am I completely (or partly, or at all) wrong? __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-14-2002, 01:40 AM	#16
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Depends on what kind of star you're looking for. The word for an actual star in space is 'elen', the 'poetic' word for star is 'él'. There is also 'tinwe': 'spark', but this is properly only used of the lights in the Dome of Varda on Taniquetil. She made a dome of lights in imitation of the heavens. The adjectives you need here are morë 'dark, darkness' and morna 'dark, black'. 'Mor' is Sindarin. Moriél might be a good name meaning "Dark-star". __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

03-14-2002, 01:48 AM	#17
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Thank you so much Nolendil!! That was really helpful! Thanks! It's for a film I'm making. . .and being an obsessed Tolkien fan, the main character is an obsessed Tolkien fan. . .she's also a vampire, but that's beside the point. Anyway, thanks for the help with the Quenya. You probably didn't need all those details about my wierd films. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

03-14-2002, 11:31 PM	#18
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	weird films are, by definition, cool films (especially if they include one or more of the following elements:anything Tolkien, vampires, sci-fi special effects, or aliens)...except for the really truly weird films that are quite definitely not cool. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

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