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Al qaeda: what they want....
{Under the risk that this thread will soon become either a "bash America" thread, or will become a thread where personal attacks will cause this thread to be closed... I open up a discussion.}
Doing some research online, just to try to understand what is going on in the world. I came across this from the BBC... Quote:
a) What oppression of Muslims are they taking about? b) What would make the US the "Great Satan", if they're plotting against all "Western" countries (meaning Europe, as well)? c) What, if anything, would change their minds about "the West"? |
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Well the only thing that would make them change their minds about the west is if everyone woman starts wearing a burka, stops talking to men, everyone becomes devout Muslims and all Jews die. That's basically what to will take for them not to hate us.
The other stuff is just a bunch of excuses for hating us. Why do think they bomb women and children in Iraq now and not our soldiers. Do you really think they want Iraqis to have a better life?
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I'll start by writing something off topic (sorry Ruinel):
They talk about Jihad in the article, like in so many other articles. I just want to remind you that there are two different Jihads: the big Jihad (don't know if that's the correct translation) and the small Jihad. The big one is about fighting the evil that exists inside all of us. Every single person has to fight the big Jihad, every day. The small Jihad means fighting the evilness (is there even such a word? )in the outside world. This means, that the jihad we're generally talking about, is the small one. Sorry if you all knew that before; just ignore me.
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That's one question answered... how about the other 2?
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One thing I find interesting - is that fact that we go out of our way to fit into their culture - our female reporters wear headscarves and so forth - but we're considered the ones who don't respect them.
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So, what you're saying is that al qaeda simply hates everyone and everything that isn't (a) fundamental muslim? That they focus on "The West" (which includes Europe an America) because our cultures distinctly represent the opposite to their religious beliefs. Is this correct?
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Well, the 'hatred' of the west can't be that complete, because weren't they just offering Europe a 'truce' recently?
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Anyone that thinks that that truce was valid has to have their head in the sand.
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JD, I meant to put "truce" in quotations like I did with 'hatred'. I'll go back and edit.
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Gee, what's the fun of a thread like this when everyone's making such intelligent and reasonable points?
Just like to add: these guys are looking back at the Golden Age of Islam, when the West (Europe) was a stagnant backwater and wondering how the situation has reversed itself. Since thay are the possessors of the True Faith, it obviously must be someone else's fault. It never seems to occur to them that, in their days of glory, Damascus and Baghdad, Cairo and Cordoba, were the most open, cosmopolitan, tolerant and enlightened societies around- and that they are the equivalent of the backhill and deep desert tribesman who came screaming down to purify the Faithful by burning the libraries and destroying the gardens and aqueducts.
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Their hatred is like Hitler blaming everything on the Jews and their truce they offered to Europe is like Hitler's treaty with the Soviet Union.
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This is sort of off-topic, but I'm posting it here to avoid starting a new thread of similar topic.
Perhaps some of you have already read about it... I think you all know that after the March 11th attacks of Madrid, the Spanish Police beban to make detentions. They've catch 18 people (all them muslims, mainly from Morocco). The last of them (3 or 4) were not exactly caught: they were surrounded by the GEOs (our SWAT forces) but they exploded a bomb killing themselves and also one of the GEOs But the more sadly thing is that two weeks after (I think it was last Sunday) some people assalted the tomb of the dead GEO and also burned his dead body Why all this hate? Arty's reasons about our culture influence in their countries seems not enough for me...
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I think a lot has to do with the way we live - more than anything else. At least for the fanatics. Also they use and twist things that happen in the world to say "see they are murdering Muslims" - but yet ignore the number of times we have come to muslim's aid. Al Qaeda is like a cult almost - a very violent brainwashing cult and a most of the madrasas are like that too.
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Spain may have been singled out because it was an easy target and their leader supported the invasion of Iraq. Why the meaningless violence? I've no idea.....
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