12-10-2002, 09:43 PM | #1 |
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Please support me!
Okay, I checked out The Silmorilain (however that is spelled) today, for like the 5th time, I am atemting it... agian. Please help me to finish it! Incourage me, please! I already read the first two parts, and then chapter 1, I didn't understand the first two parts, so I reread them, and I understand them now- some. Now I am planing to reread part 1 and 2 and chapter 1, to pute it all together. PLEASE HELP! I need your support so much! My own libraryian at school will not stand behind me, she said that I should pick a diffrent book to try, but I am determend, so with you'll pushing me, and my determination, I will make it!!!! Just 1 million more pages to go (it seems) but I will make it! And I will understand it in the end! Just help me, please! I can do it, I can do it, I can do it!!!!
*Sigh* please help a little helpless mooter, plus if I have any questions while reading then I'll post them here, starting with this one: In the first part, it says that the sons of Iluvater (is that right? I don't have the book on me tight now!) were elves and men, but if so, then why is Chapt. 3 is about elves coming, and why are the elves the oldest race in ME? What is the HOME series that ya'll talk about? Is it LOTR?
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12-10-2002, 10:45 PM | #2 |
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The Silmarillion did not come easy to many if any when they first read it, including me. It is a difficult read that requires great application. If you love Tolkien and the Lord of the Rings, it will be your insentive to go further. It is a very rewarding book when finished for the fact that great effort went into your finishing it. Stay with it. Don't give up. You'll be glad you did.
The Histories of Middle-earth (HoMe) is a series of 12 books consisting of works that were unpublished in the Sil and other books, along with commentaries, notes, and correction from Christopher Tolkien, regarding the History all the way through the Lord of the Rings. Just worry about getting through the Silmarillion now.
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12-11-2002, 12:12 AM | #3 |
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Once you get past all the descriptive and creation stuff, it gets better. Once you meet Feanor and the Noldor, it's pretty much all downhill (except for 'Of Beleriand and its Realms'). It took me a while to get into it, but once I did, I enjoyed it. Just keep at it.
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12-11-2002, 01:16 AM | #4 |
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Don't expect to get everything from your first read.
And don't take it too slowly. Or too quickly. If you're like me, you'll enjoy learning about the origins of all the races and many, many characters. It surprised me that LotR is covered in just a few pages, but all in all, made me appreciate Tolkien's work more. Much more.
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12-11-2002, 01:25 AM | #5 |
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If you're finding the first bits difficult, then you may want to start on Beren and Luthien. And remember, ALWAYS refer to the family trees at the back... it saves you taking notes! (Although I found note taking to be very helpful.)
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12-11-2002, 01:56 AM | #6 |
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My advice would be to read is carefully and refer to the glossary at the back of the book. I had to because I kept forgetting who Finrod was related to, among others. I read it once a few months ago in about four days, hopefully I read it slower next time and actually remember the details.
Sam: I don't really understand your question. Elves and men are the children of Iluvatar. Elves are the oldest because they awoke first, I suppose.
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12-11-2002, 01:57 AM | #7 | |||
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Hi samwiselvr2008
Have you read through the "Does the Silmarillion get more entertaining" thread on this forum? Lots of people shared their frustrations and their enjoyment. Also, they shared some tips that helped them get through it the first time. Also, if you like reading, a bunch of us have discussed in detail the first two chapters of the Sil, and you could read through those threads if you want to. Let me just try to give some quick answers (because I'm trying to get to bed, I'm so tired right now!) and let me know if it helps, or if you have any other questions. Quote:
I wouldn't bother re-reading it too much, I think it might be better just to plough through it once to get a general picture of the book. Then as you re-read it, you'll pick up more and more. Quote:
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12-11-2002, 06:15 AM | #8 | |
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I was under the impression that the Ainur created the world, unintentionally, through their Music, mediated by Iluvatar. I stand ready to be corrected on these matters! I agree with BoP's advice, sw2008. I read each chapter as an independent story. Take your time. Turin's is a great story. But I think that the style of writing is a real obstacle for many readers. It takes a lot of getting used to, but it's well worth it. cheers, and good luck d. |
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12-11-2002, 08:14 PM | #9 |
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Eru Iluvatar is almost definitely the God of the Christians. Remember, that Tolkien himself was a devout Christian. He loved the mythology of the Norse, but he disliked the pagan elements. So, he created a mythology which he felt would be acceptable to God; Middle-Earth was the result.
And I am fairly sure that the Ainur sung the Ainulindale, but Eru caused it all to Be. Let me look it up. Then there was unrest among the Ainur; but Iluvatar called to them, and said: "I know the desire of your minds that what ye have seen should verily be, not only in your thought, but even as yourselves are, and yet other. Therefore I say: Ea! Let these things Be! And I will send forth into the Void the Flame Imperishable, and it shall be at the heart of the World, and the World shall Be; and those of you that will may go down into it." -Ainulindale, p. 20 It seems fairly clear to me that Eru was the one who actually created it; thought that may just be me.
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12-11-2002, 08:19 PM | #10 |
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I'm reading it for my anjoyment, not for a book report! (Thank goodness, I would so fall the book report with my understanding of it!) I thought that the Ainur were his sons, but they'er like angels? Okay, thanks, that helped alot, now since I know that I have been looking at them rongly. At the begining of the book, ther is a note from C. Tolkien, that says that ther was a first Dark Lord, was that Melkor? And if it was, was Sauron someone who worked for him, and sorda like ganed "nolege" of being evil from him? I got that exspresion while reading the book, not sher why, maybe it was something that it said. I am rereading Chapt. 1, just to get the stuff I didn't before, of course I won't get it all- I know that- but the truth is that I sometimes wonder off and think about other stuff while reading it! I would have never gotten past the second page, if it wasn't partly by my determination, and the moot! You geuss always cept on talking about it, and I wanted to be able to joun in on The Sil. part of entmoot, so that is probaly why I haven't given up! The styl of writing (as mentioned by someone else) is really hard to understand, and really boring, sometimes I'll be reading it, and have to just stop for a minute and wake up some so that I can continue!
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12-11-2002, 10:29 PM | #11 |
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It's funny, one of the reasons I came to Entmoot in the first place was because I was reading The Silm and wanted some "commentary" on it. It is very hard for me to read, too! I am embarrassed to say that I STILL haven't finished, although that is partly because it was packed in the move and I've just found it, so I AM starting on it again, but I didn't know if I should try to start over or just start where I left off. I am really enjoying the discussions in this forum that were started for each chapter, although I haven't really joined in. I think I might try to now that I've started reading it again.
You can PM me if you want to as you read each chapter, because I'd love to hear from someone else who is reading it for the first time. Your questions will help me understand it better, too! edit: P.S. I'm just starting on ch. 18. Last edited by azalea : 12-11-2002 at 10:31 PM. |
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Argh! I made a detailed and intelligent (unusual for me ) post addressing the points in Dunadan's post, and I must have hit "reset" when I was editing, because now it's gone! Well, I'll try to reconstruct it.
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Cheers too! (I like your 'cheers', d!)
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12-12-2002, 01:42 AM | #13 | |||
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I just wanted to share something from the Prologue of the Book of Lost Tales I:
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12-12-2002, 08:08 PM | #14 |
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I need a boost! I read like 2 pages yesturday, and today non! I'm gonna pick up the book tonight and finish a chapter!
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12-13-2002, 01:49 AM | #15 |
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(Dunadan, one of your posts on this thread just disappeared! The one responding to my last post. This is really weird! Are other people's posts disappearing? That makes at least 3 of us!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
12-13-2002, 01:53 AM | #16 |
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Sorry, samwiselvr2008, I'm trying to support you, but my posts are disappearing
What chapter are you on?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
12-13-2002, 10:45 AM | #17 |
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I have put up a thread in the moderator forum about the missing posts. All I can suggest to everyone for now until the problem is resolved is to copy and save your work before you submit so that if it disappears you can repost without having to go through the task of thinking and typing it all up again.
Be patient folks. I'm working on it.
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12-13-2002, 09:25 PM | #18 |
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Still on chapter one. I didn't end up reading it last night! But my favorite teacher has found out that I am reading the book, and her being a "hobbit head" has decided that she would re- read it with me! So now, I HAVE to finish it, I have my wanting to finish it, you geuss, and my teacher all backing me up, so ther is know way that I can stop! I will finally read it! Yay!!! Just as long as I get up the courage to finish reading chapter one, and start chapter two, I'll be off! Hopefully that will happen tonight, I would be reading it now if I wasn't on the internet and working on a class newspaper artical (another one ) on The Fellowhip!
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I've just read the Valaquenta. I'm going to make it through this!!
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01-05-2003, 07:55 AM | #20 |
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How do you turn on the [img]-code?
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