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The UN is a passive body. Kinda like the mother who always says "You wait till your father gets home" but never says a word. They didn't take action and I doubt they will be doing too much pro-active stuff now. Did anyone see the reports on the shooting on Saturday at Yanbu (spelling?). 2 Americans, 2 Britons and 1 Australian were killed. One confirmed person was being dragged through the streets by a car. |
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Your last sentence here gicves me a strong feeling that you think that what the soliders did to the Iraqis was ok. I truly hope I'm wrong; but it seems like you want to do the same things to the terrorists as they do to you. Wouldn't that make you a terrorist too?
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An historic admittance.
The French are better at torture than the Americans. Just dig into their African escapades.
Everyone is better than we are; so I endorse the frequent flyer program for terrorists-to torture permissable lands.
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If you have a problem with the way Saudi Arabia or Pakistan questions their prisoners - then have it up with them.
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Did you hear about the Palestians killing a pregnant woman and her 4 children in Gaza? BTW - you are right - the UN is a do nothing organization and constantly relies on the US. That is why they had to leave Somalia after we pulled out. The rest of the "world's" suposed troops couldn't handle it without the America there to hold their hand.
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Its not about you not condemning the acts or saying they are ok. Its simply about accepting what happened WITHOUT using it as an opportunity to turn the tables and attack others for their crimes as well. And you also ignore the fact that we SHOULD hold ourselves up to a higher standard then others. By saying well others do this and that you are ignoring that point. All you gotta say is we screwed up. We’ll do our best to fix it. And maybe even “Sorry”.
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You know there aren't many threads here condemning the attacks that iraqis do, or that palestinians do. I brought up what they do - because all of this is about attacking the US. I just wanted to remind people that they should look at the attrocities we have to deal with while we are there. I'm sorry your highness if I overstepped your rules of what I was supposed to say. But as far as I'm concerned - I will speak my mind - whether you or anyone else like it. You don't have to condemn the palestians if you don't want to - or the Iraqis - I will condemn BOTH our soldiers who did this horrendous act AND the palestians and the Iraqis. Oh and if you bothered reading my posts - you will see that I did say it was being fixed and that it should be fixed. However, I have nothing to be sorry for and I don't have to say "we're sorry" - I didn't torture those prisoners. The ones that should be sorry are the soldiers who did this and anyone involved - those are the only ones who should be sorry. I don't say sorry for things I had no role in or condone.
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Your understanding of the rendering process is also extremely flawed. The U.S. EXPORTS PRISONERS to countries to be tortured. They do HAND THEM OVER. It is not a scenario where the government lets them take a first crack. Maher Arar was on American soil flying to Canada when he was detained by American officials, who then flew him to the Middle East. If that's not "handing over people" would you care to explain what is? Quote:
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British soldiers horrifically abuse Iraqis
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I've merged the 'American soldiers horrifically abuse Iraqis'-thread with the 'British soldiers horrifically abuse Iraqis' thread since they're basically the same thing.
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I wanted to post to say that I am an American, and I am deeply sorry for the acts of some of our soldiers. I earnestly believe that we went into that country with good intentions, intentions of stopping those same kinds of things from happening in multitudes of incidents on a regular basis. It is shaming to see that some of us fell to the same level, and that our Intelligence "did not stop it"/"did not know about it".
That photographs were taken in this instance implies to me that there were more occurrences of such that are probably unphotographed. That some of our soldiers would descend to that level is horrible. They are undoing by their actions the meaning for which the war was initiated in the first place. The WMD of course was part of it, but in my opinion, saving those people from the oppression of such an evil regime was a worthwhile cause in itself. We came into Iraq to do good, and I think that we are bringing about good in that country. When some do these kinds of filthy acts of abuse, they are swiftly destroying the good that hundreds of Americans and coalition soldiers have laid down their lives to bring about. There should be a very deep, detailed, and public investigation. Not only of these occurrences, but of other such occurrences that have likely happened. |
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If you believe that killing Bin Laden in an excrutiating fashion is just, then how can we accuse them? All that we can accuse them of is making an intellectual error. It is not the act that is heinous, in that case, but the intellectual mistake. These people are absolutely convinced that we are the Great Satan. Therefore they would be utterly justified in wreaking utter vengeance upon us. I personally believe that it is the act that is evil, to a far greater extent than the intellectual error. Therefore the terrorists are not justified in their acts, and we would not be justified in mutilating the living Bin Laden. If you believe that it can be right for us to punish certain people in these manner, then you don't believe torture is evil. Instead, you believe that intellectual errors are what you have the right to punish people so sorely for making. That belief seems ridiculous, to me. Everyone makes intellectual errors. It is the act of violence itself that is evil. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 05-03-2004 at 03:32 AM. |
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well put lief... as i said in the beginning of this thread, what is important is taking responsibility for our actions... if there is any good that may come out of this incident, it is a bit of self-inspection on the part of our leaders
there has been a tendency among some of our leaders to represent the US as the ultimate moral authority in the world, as opposed to a force with good intentions, yet is just as human and possible of doing both good and bad as anyone else Quote:
hopefully this will inspire those same leaders to take a step back and ask themselves "what kind of attitude am i promoting among my people?"
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He said all that "god" stuff! Oh brother! No way I can vote for someone who says silly stuff like that. (IMO) That sounds crazy. I sure hope Kerry doesn't spout off a bunch of "god" babble. Then I'll be stuck not voting! Sorry to go off topic...
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i think the source for the above quote is somewhat questionable after further inspection... read my correction... sorry for misktake Lizra
here's the only mention of god i found from the end of that 2003 speach: Quote:
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