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i heard a report this morning about the red cross speaking with high-level military officials over their concerns as early as november of last year... but they were not really taken seriously until an american soldier blew the whistle two months later the issue is important enough that we should assume the worst and work out the facts, as opposed to the other way around
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An enigma in a conundrum
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"People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." |
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Come back! Come back! To Mordor we will take you! "The only thing better than a great plan is implementing a great plan" - JerseyDevil "If everyone agreed with me all the time, everything would be just fine"- JerseyDevil AboutNewJersey.com New Jersey MessageBoard Another Tolkien Forum Memorial to the Twin Towers New Jersey Map Fellowship of the Messageboard Legend of the Jersey Devil Support New Jersey's Liberty Tower Peacefire.org AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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I took the liberty of going through my posts on here regarding the subject and in my opinion I couldn’t find anything that would qualify me for American hating. Heres some examples: “But in my opinion this IS an anomaly and not the norm.” – Insidious Rex “Again, I think what we saw in Iraq was NOT the norm. But it DOES happen.” – Insidious Rex “we need to cringe and deal with the hypocripsy involved when something like this happens. and not make excuses.” – Insidious Rex “no need to say we should be condeming others instead. we simply need to say hey we messed up (yes "we" even though it was a hand full of renegades that certainly DIDNT reflect the thinking of all americans as Ive stated several times now).” – Insidious Rex “Its ok to say WE #&$@ed UP once in a while. Its called owning up to ones actions. And a true patriot will do that. And will never make an excuse or inject it with a ‘but they do it too!’ argument.” – Insidious Rex “All you gotta say is we screwed up. We’ll do our best to fix it. And maybe even ‘Sorry’.” – Insidious Rex etc.. etc… Now perhaps you view these kinds of mildly critical and straight forward HONEST comments as traitorous but I sure don’t. So if you do then tell me why you think that. Is saying hey this was bad but this DOESN’T represent America really bashing America and showing that I don’t want to live here? Im really rather confused where you make that connection. And again if you simply mean that making a negative comment about your administration is enough to warrant such a silly question then Id certainly have to disagree with you there and I would once again refer you to the comments of Benjamin Franklin and others who would also disagree with you. Quote:
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They have already rolled one guy to testafy against the others for a plea bargain. My guess is he'll be used to contain the indictments. Meanwhile Rumsfeld testafied yesterday that he "couldn't recall" reading any reports about increasing pressure to get intelligence. ![]() Quote:
We support you even though most of us have little idea of the horrific circumstances of there. It won't be like Vietnam where the soldiers were blamed for everything that goes wrong (except the abusers, of course). Back then the ideas like incentives for body counts that incited events like MyLai repelled most people back home. I think most of our troops have shown exemplary conduct under the circumstances. It's the circumstances I dislike and the fact hat your comrades may be dying for poor reasons. Oh. and please don't rip out any american's throats. That might look, well... kind of bad. ![]() Maybe Fenir doesn't get that this is very serious to Americans and the truth is more important than "scoring point". This is definitely no game, (okay, maybe like russian roulette is a game - but still not funny). And we all ahve to accept the possibility that they didn't film every act of abuse that did occur. But that idea too just makes me ill. Keep the Faith Beor. It's a complex situation your in there, to say the very least. And keep your head down. ![]()
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i choose to stand by the ideals of my country, which includes criticising its leaders... as i said earlier, i think our strength is not that we are perfect, but that we have the best system for dealing with the imperfections that exist in every social/political system... an open and honest system i see the current administration as trying to change this into one of where the president says 'don't worry about the details, just trust that we will always act in the best interest of the country' i don't buy this, and i know many americans who agree with me
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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![]() The statement regarding you are either with us or against us was directed at countries supporting terrorism and Middle Eastern countries such as Pakistan. People like to twist that around a lot. Quote:
And I'm sure you know many people who agree with you. I;'m sure they share your same pollitical views - isn't that a new concept. People having friends who share their political views. ![]()
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I think Jerseydevil deserves a round of applause for single-handedly (or almost single-handedly, there are some others in here, too) defending the United States and the Bush administration. Way to go JD!
*round of applause echoes through the...um...internet*
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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People instead of waiting for the investigations to be carried out want to pass judgement. Such statements like "if it happens again it'll just be covered up". Right away there are always accusations of a cover-up - even before the facts are out. Everything floating around is rumor and people want to believe anything negative.
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whoops. double post. maybe I'll think of something to write here instead...
![]() oh yeah. People mentioned liking American culture (when they were accused of being anti-American) of all the things we have to export---our culture. *groan*
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In a similar vein, I think Brown Jenkins, Insidious Rex, and Cirdan all need rounds of applause for their objectivity, and well enunciated posts.
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