Accents - Page 2

Dunadan · 02-05-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Miranda
Well on a drunken night in Newcastle we thought the Rohirrim would make wonderful geordies! Well my insane best mate and I do have some strange notions! Mx

You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"

BTW, Scotland isn't in England

Sean Astin's accent was indeed really well done.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-05-2003, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

It certainly seemed to me to have pretty well constant contact with Bree. Elves, Dwarves, etc. are recorded as travelling across the Shire. While I'm sure it wasn't exactly a center of cultural diversity, it wasn't an island.

BeardofPants · 02-05-2003, 03:09 PM

I didn't say it was an island -- I said it might as well have been. But I'll just repeat FF's post here for convenience:

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Originally posted by FrodoFriend
There is actually an explanation of Middle Earth accents in the Appendices, and I think it's pretty cool that they represented this in the movies too. In this case it's a "Good one, PJ!" from me. The Shire was sort of an equivalent to England, and their speech is said in LotR to sound strange, different from the Westron of other peoples.

Eowyn, Lady of Rohan · 02-05-2003, 05:36 PM

I never noticed Aragorn had an accent. Elrond and arwen sort of do.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-05-2003, 05:38 PM

I meant a cultural island.

Yes, their speech sounded different from 'normal' Westron, but I don't think it said they had several different dialects in the Shire, did it?

shirefarmer · 02-05-2003, 08:18 PM

where did i read that they "chose" billy boyd and his scottish accent (mmmmmm scotland) because pippins ancester Bullroarer "invented" golf and because golf was invented in scotland. if that makes any sense, if it does its pretty clever.

Gorhiriel · 02-05-2003, 08:45 PM

Good one Shirefarmer! I didn't know that!

Draken · 02-05-2003, 09:06 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dunadan
[B]You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"

Theoden: Howay mon! Wor Saruman's fair canny, like!
Eomer: Ya divven't knaa? He gans doon Stadium o Light!
Theoden: Ee's a ****in' red an' white? I'll ****in' **** 'im!

Insidious Rex · 02-05-2003, 09:25 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Draken
[B]

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Originally posted by Dunadan
You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?"

Theoden: Howay mon! Wor Saruman's fair canny, like!
Eomer: Ya divven't knaa? He gans doon Stadium o Light!
Theoden: Ee's a ****in' red an' white? I'll ****in' **** 'im!

Hey is this the same dialect that John Cleese uses in the Cheese Shop sketch?

Draken · 02-06-2003, 11:34 AM

Only ever seen that sketch once and it was a long time ago. Don't remember Cleese ever doing a Geordie accent but could be wrong!

Insidious Rex · 02-06-2003, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Draken
Only ever seen that sketch once and it was a long time ago. Don't remember Cleese ever doing a Geordie accent but could be wrong!

Well he only has a few lines where he actually sounds like that. For the most part hes playing this snotty chatty over educated fellow who is trying to buy some cheese in a cheese shop that doesnt have any cheese. Have a look at this and youll see what I mean: THE CHEESE SHOP SKETCH

Dunadan · 02-06-2003, 12:51 PM

Definitely not being a Geordie in the Cheese Shop sketch. IIRC, that accent was a posh-ish southern English one; the one he lapses into is supposed to be Yorkshire, I think.

LOL, Draken. What a hoot.

Eomer: Waaats this? An elf, a man anna dwaarf, aall dressed up furra sat'day neet.?
Aragorn: I say, old chap, whom do you serve?
Eomer: Ah serve mesel ah doo, anall help mesel tae yor heed if ye dinna watch ya lip, ya suthun bastaad ye.

Draken · 02-06-2003, 05:14 PM

Witch King: "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me."
Eomer: Is wor callin wor lass a lad?
Eowyn: Ee ****in' is an' aall.
Eomer: Howay pet, bray the soft gobshite.

(A few seconds later)

Eomer: Howay Eowyn mon, ee's dissolved, like. Ee's ad enough pet, jus' walk away.
Eowyn: Why aye mon. Light wor a tab, pet.

samwise of the shire · 02-06-2003, 07:48 PM

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I've been informed that most americans find it easier to do an irish accent than a scottish, welsh or english, why?

I find that the Scottish accent is easier to do than an Irish accent...something about the r's...not as trilly in the Scottish accent as they are in an Irish Accent.

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I never imagined arwen would speak elvish with an irish accent.

No I dont think she would've Dwarven Sen because she was a princess, and probably wouldn't have spoken in a rustic dialect...it would seem to me that someone like Sam, or maybe Frodo would have something like an Irish accent because they're from the country and more rustic and what not...Arwen is more noble...not as countrylike I guess...just the elvish thing I guess.
Cheers,
Sam
ps. the Cockney accent is one of the hardest accents to do...so you have to give Elijah a break, he did his best with "Oliver Twist".

BeardofPants · 02-07-2003, 01:51 AM

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Originally posted by Gwaimir Windgem
Yes, their speech sounded different from 'normal' Westron, but I don't think it said they had several different dialects in the Shire, did it?

Well there was certainly a differentiation between the classes in terms of accents, and culture.

Please note that I never mentioned dialects. I was talking about culture. And while I don't think the distinctions were as great as modern day England, I certainly think there was some differences between the different farthings, and particularly between Hobbiton and Buckland.

Dwarven Sen · 02-07-2003, 04:31 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
It might as well have been an island. Do you see any other cultures traipsing through the Shire? After Aragorn rose to the throne, it was expressly forbidden for men to enter into the Shire. Your point is rather moot.

Cool! MOOT POINT!!

sorry that was off topic, Thank you to everyone telling me i was being silly about the irish accents of americans and irsh not being nobility, i actually do appreciate it.

off topic again- there is actually another thread called accents and i'm getting dammned confused again.

sun-star · 02-07-2003, 03:39 PM

I'm sure you can have noble Irish people. But Arwen probably wouldn't have had the accent of a rural Irish peasant

BTW, what kind of accent is Gimli supposed to have in the film?

Dwarven Sen · 02-10-2003, 05:16 AM

Scottish? vaguely anyway.Yer full of suprises mr bagg'ns

Dúnedain · 02-10-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Miranda
Maybe its because quite a few of the settlers in AMerica were of Irish origin.

Quite a few of the settlers were also Scotish as well. For instance a lot of those that settled the country side, specifically in western Virginia (which all western land was considered Virginia, hehe

) were known as the "Scotch-Irish"...

Ahhhhhhhh my History degree has done something for me afterall

Lanelf · 02-10-2003, 05:18 PM

Like Dunadan said, Sean Astin's accent was well done - except for a sentence or so in Rivendell, when he's talking to Frodo about how "We did what Gandalf wanted, didn't we?" He sounds quite different there - but I guess everyone has their off days.
Hee hee... Sean Astin... *wanders off like a fangirl*
Lanelf.

02-05-2003, 05:36 PM	#24
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02-05-2003, 05:38 PM	#25
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	I meant a cultural island. Yes, their speech sounded different from 'normal' Westron, but I don't think it said they had several different dialects in the Shire, did it? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-05-2003, 08:45 PM	#27
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02-05-2003, 09:06 PM	#28
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dunadan [B]You've got it! "Whyaye min, ur ye lukkin at me sizta like?" Theoden: Howay mon! Wor Saruman's fair canny, like! Eomer: Ya divven't knaa? He gans doon Stadium o Light! Theoden: Ee's a **in' red an' white? I'll in' ** 'im! __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

02-06-2003, 11:34 AM	#30
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	Only ever seen that sketch once and it was a long time ago. Don't remember Cleese ever doing a Geordie accent but could be wrong! __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

02-05-2003, 08:18 PM	#26
shirefarmer Sapling Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ohio Posts: 12	where did i read that they "chose" billy boyd and his scottish accent (mmmmmm scotland) because pippins ancester Bullroarer "invented" golf and because golf was invented in scotland. if that makes any sense, if it does its pretty clever.

02-06-2003, 12:51 PM	#32
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Definitely not being a Geordie in the Cheese Shop sketch. IIRC, that accent was a posh-ish southern English one; the one he lapses into is supposed to be Yorkshire, I think. LOL, Draken. What a hoot. Eomer: Waaats this? An elf, a man anna dwaarf, aall dressed up furra sat'day neet.? Aragorn: I say, old chap, whom do you serve? Eomer: Ah serve mesel ah doo, anall help mesel tae yor heed if ye dinna watch ya lip, ya suthun bastaad ye. Last edited by Dunadan : 02-06-2003 at 12:58 PM.

02-06-2003, 05:14 PM	#33
Draken Elf Lord Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Durham, England Posts: 694	Witch King: "Hinder me? Thou fool. No living man may hinder me." Eomer: Is wor callin wor lass a lad? Eowyn: Ee ****in' is an' aall. Eomer: Howay pet, bray the soft gobshite. (A few seconds later) Eomer: Howay Eowyn mon, ee's dissolved, like. Ee's ad enough pet, jus' walk away. Eowyn: Why aye mon. Light wor a tab, pet. __________________ I'm beset by self-doubt ....or am I?

02-07-2003, 03:39 PM	#37
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I'm sure you can have noble Irish people. But Arwen probably wouldn't have had the accent of a rural Irish peasant BTW, what kind of accent is Gimli supposed to have in the film? __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool. Last edited by sun-star : 02-07-2003 at 03:42 PM.

02-10-2003, 05:16 AM	#38
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02-10-2003, 05:18 PM	#40
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Like Dunadan said, Sean Astin's accent was well done - except for a sentence or so in Rivendell, when he's talking to Frodo about how "We did what Gandalf wanted, didn't we?" He sounds quite different there - but I guess everyone has their off days. Hee hee... Sean Astin... wanders off like a fangirl Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

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