Martial arts: every thing thread - Page 2

afro-elf · 07-29-2002, 03:43 AM

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Originally posted by Erawyn
I take kickboxing but i know very little about real martial arts. what are the differences between karate tae kwon do, jujitsu etc?? i feel so uneducated!

this is a VERY general description of some arts

Karate is a linear arts that emphasizes power (japan)

Tae kwon do emphasizes kicks Korean

Jujitsu a no holds barred fighting style. more concerned with if it works use it. not really into the philosophy.

judo a watered down version of the above more for sport .

kung fu various chinese styles including, wu shu, tai chi, shaolin, wing chun etc. this styles quite divergent and hard to describe simply. think jacky chan, jet li, and crouching tiger, hidden dragon and you'll get a rough idea of kung fu

Spock · 07-29-2002, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by afro-elf

Still doubtful of AUTHENTIC Ninjitsu as I am about Hwarang Do and Shaolin

Ok for the first you watch the Billy Jack movies. Bon Soo Han did the actual fighting. Shaolin is either Northern (hand movements) or Southern (foot techniques) based upon the size of the people in those regions. The Chinese govn't. only fairly recently has acknowledged and permitted monks to train at the original monestary. Yes I know all about the trips in previous years.
Authentic Ninjitsu, I hesitate to tell you because you don't really want to know. The Japanese government has examined the scrolls in possession of Dr. Matsaaki Hatsumi of the Togakure Ryu and found those to be authentic and dating back 900 years. In Japan ALL martial arts (to be taught) must be sanctioned and licensed by the government. Togakure Ryu is the ONLY style of Ninjitsu so authorized.

FYI I have been a student of the martial arts for over forty years.
Rankings attained in Ninjitsu and Jiujitsu. Teaching license in
Jiujitsu, Sandan.

afro-elf · 07-30-2002, 06:37 AM

Bong So Han is a HAPKIDO man not Hwarang do.

As far as my comments on Shaolin and Ninjitsu it that those names have been OVERLY used by bogus martial artist to to suck in the guillable.

Its seems everybody who studied kung fu their teacher as taught by some shaolin master. And Ninja schools opened everywhere after those corny Sho Kushugi movies.

afro-elf · 07-30-2002, 07:08 AM

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there are those that practice it as an art and it is just like any other martial art. .... then there are those that are flat off the wall and just plain foolish. talking about magic, levitation, being unpeneratable and other such mystic type hollabaloo. so some is real some is fake. depends who your instructor is i guess.

It's the latter that i'm truly leary of. Like people who buy books like " Ninja Magic"

And what do you mean by this statement ? :

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I hesitate to tell you because you don't really want to know.

Spock · 07-30-2002, 11:39 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by afro-elf
[B]Bong So Han is a HAPKIDO man not Hwarang do.

A.E. you passed the test. You may now fade into the West.

Fall easy.

Spock · 07-30-2002, 11:49 AM

"There are more things under heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Most applicable.

afro-elf · 07-30-2002, 11:53 PM

My philosophies have dreamt quite a lot though

Spock · 07-31-2002, 11:09 AM

Apology to students of Supreme Grand Master Dr. Joo Bang Lee's art (deceased) , my brain confused two excellent exponents. Yong Sul Choi's (current S.G.M.) art is also Korean and Grand Master Bong Soo Han , of Hapkido, is more well known in the circles I have traveled. His art is also better known in general. That is not to take away from anyone's chosen art. There are many roads to the top of the mountain.

It is wise to remember what Mork of Ork said: "reality what a concept", when philosophy is held as dogma.

Treebeard's apprentice · 07-31-2002, 06:40 PM

When I start college in the fall I think I will try to take a judo class. I was a wrester in high school, and I am told that many wrestling throws are similar to judo. In fact, many good wrestlers I've talked to from other schools are also good at judo. I'm quite excited.

Starr Polish · 07-31-2002, 08:21 PM

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You're not allowed to say it's not about fighting? What is the reason or is it a dictate from the unenlightened.

Huh? We aren't allowed to CALL it fighting, because it isn't, really. We aren't supposed to pick, start, provoke fights. It's in our kind of 'code of honor'. The stuff we learn is mostly how to get out of bad situations without causing permanent harm to our attacker. But, the higher your level, the more intense the training, and you do learn things that could seriously injure, or even kill (in some cases) people, but those are used as a last resort, in life or death situations after all else has failed.

afro-elf · 08-01-2002, 12:12 AM

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Originally posted by Spock
"There are more things under heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
Most applicable.

In a flash back to my undergrad degree

" there is no heaven. there is no earth. there are no philosophies. all is emptiness"

Spock · 08-01-2002, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by Starr Polish

Huh? We aren't allowed to CALL it fighting, because it isn't, really. We aren't supposed to pick, start, provoke fights. It's in our kind of 'code of honor'. The stuff we learn is mostly how to get out of bad situations without causing permanent harm to our attacker. But, the higher your level, the more intense the training, and you do learn things that could seriously injure, or even kill (in some cases) people, but those are used as a last resort, in life or death situations after all else has failed.

Ahh, ok, now I understand. It's the First Principle I was taught and teach, Avoid!
Thanks for the clarification.

Spock · 08-01-2002, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by afro-elf

In a flash back to my undergrad degree

" there is no heaven. there is no earth. there are no philosophies. all is emptiness"

"Tis a poor outlook indeed". However, if you have your towel, all is well.

Spock · 08-01-2002, 10:00 AM

A close look and one can see that the counter of posts is faulty.

afro-elf · 08-01-2002, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by Spock

"Tis a poor outlook indeed". However, if you have your towel, all is well.

its straight Buddhism. Its a paraphase of a old ch'an tale about chosing a successor to the tradition

Spock · 08-02-2002, 09:50 AM

"ohmmmmmm"
I'll just contemplate my Kalichakra Mandala and attain peace and happiness.

afro-elf · 08-02-2002, 11:29 AM

No comment

Spock · 08-02-2002, 06:13 PM

"stunned silence"

afro-elf · 08-03-2002, 12:38 AM

Spock · 08-04-2002, 12:05 AM

Having reached the end of the universe and still holding on to my towel. I vote to seal this thread.
We can meet again at the Restaurant at the end when the end once again comes around.
Moderators??

07-30-2002, 06:37 AM	#23
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Bong So Han is a HAPKIDO man not Hwarang do. As far as my comments on Shaolin and Ninjitsu it that those names have been OVERLY used by bogus martial artist to to suck in the guillable. Its seems everybody who studied kung fu their teacher as taught by some shaolin master. And Ninja schools opened everywhere after those corny Sho Kushugi movies. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

07-30-2002, 11:39 AM	#25
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	[QUOTE]Originally posted by afro-elf [B]Bong So Han is a HAPKIDO man not Hwarang do. A.E. you passed the test. You may now fade into the West. Fall easy. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-30-2002, 11:49 AM	#26
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	"There are more things under heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Most applicable. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-30-2002, 11:53 PM	#27
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	My philosophies have dreamt quite a lot though __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

07-31-2002, 11:09 AM	#28
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Apology to students of Supreme Grand Master Dr. Joo Bang Lee's art (deceased) , my brain confused two excellent exponents. Yong Sul Choi's (current S.G.M.) art is also Korean and Grand Master Bong Soo Han , of Hapkido, is more well known in the circles I have traveled. His art is also better known in general. That is not to take away from anyone's chosen art. There are many roads to the top of the mountain. It is wise to remember what Mork of Ork said: "reality what a concept", when philosophy is held as dogma. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-31-2002, 06:40 PM	#29
Treebeard's apprentice Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Wherever I may roam Posts: 207	When I start college in the fall I think I will try to take a judo class. I was a wrester in high school, and I am told that many wrestling throws are similar to judo. In fact, many good wrestlers I've talked to from other schools are also good at judo. I'm quite excited.

08-01-2002, 10:00 AM	#34
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	A close look and one can see that the counter of posts is faulty. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-02-2002, 09:50 AM	#36
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	"ohmmmmmm" I'll just contemplate my Kalichakra Mandala and attain peace and happiness. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-02-2002, 11:29 AM	#37
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	No comment __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-02-2002, 06:13 PM	#38
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	"stunned silence" __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-03-2002, 12:38 AM	#39
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	__________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-04-2002, 12:05 AM	#40
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	Having reached the end of the universe and still holding on to my towel. I vote to seal this thread. We can meet again at the Restaurant at the end when the end once again comes around. Moderators?? __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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