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I know, it doesn't belong into this thread, but I like the theory of Bombadil beeing Eru himself.
And Jonathan, still after one month I know what I meant.
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But it's not make sence, that Tom Bombadil is Eru. Eru is much stronger, and I'm sure Gandalf would've recognize him/her (Eru. could be that he's a she)
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But maybe Eru hides his/her true powers. I think he might switch shapes like the Valar or Maiar.
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Eru, I think, don't have gender... he's/she's like a god.
In Edings books of the Belgeriad, the 'god' there is a male character. The universe is a female character. Last edited by Radagast The Brown : 04-13-2003 at 05:35 PM. |
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I always liked Beorn and I'd say hes a worthy opponent and definitely very powerful.
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Lalaith, I believe that Tolkien said in his Letters that God (i.e. Eru) did not have a form in Middle-earth. Also, I am almost certain that Tolkien always refers to Eru as "he". Quote:
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When the world was created, the other valar took either male or female form. To me, it seemed as if they chose their gender and that they were neither men nor women until they appeared in the world.
Since Eru never took any human form that I know of, 'he' can't be male, and 'he' can't be female. But that's no reason not to referr to Eru as "he". We say "he" about God, don't we? To get back to the subject, I can say that Eru could bet any of the beasts of Middle-Earth anyday
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OT: Johnathan, good point... Eru never took form, unlike the Valar. A Vala took on a form, male or female, that was in accordance with his or her personality in order to appear to Elves or Mortal Men. But Eru used Manwe as his voice, and so never appeared to either. But that aside, I don't think Eru would count as a "creature". I think the essence of the thread was only those characters that had a shape other than that which we would consider Elven or Human form (ie, Balrogs, Shelob, Eagles....). Last edited by Ruinel : 04-14-2003 at 08:50 AM. |
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If you'll notice, you're telling the starter of the thread what the thread was about. But if you'll read the first post, he said that it would be excluding creatures from the Silmarillion and later works.
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Listen to Gwaimir. He says some very intelligent stuff
It seems as if most 'Mooters think the balrog is the strongest. I do too. But it's hard for me to imagine that the balrog could defeat Smaug. I mean, look at the size of the dragon! Even if the balrog could kill the dragon, it must be a very hard battle for him.
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But I guess it is a good point, that he never had a certain shape and therefore Eru is probably neither male nor female.
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Thoughts about Goldberry.
Was she as powerful as Tom Bombadil? Would the Ring have no effect on her, which was the case with Tom? Could Goldberry in secret be Eru?
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We don't know her powers, because there is no need for her to use them. But I guess the ring didn't have an effect on her since she didn't try to get it.
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But I still think the balrogs were more powerful than the dragons, at least slightly more powerful.
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What are the dragons anyway? Are they Maiar, or just creatures Melkor sang into existance?
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Sorry, Johnathan. You asked about "creatures" and you defined "creatures" in your starting post for this thread. But you said to leave out the Valar, I'm also assuming Eru as well. I got the impression when you started this thread that you were naming beings that did not take on shape of Elves and Men. Am I mistaken? |
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