01-10-2004, 01:18 PM | #181 |
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You are still augmenting yourself no matter how you argue it.
If you wear high heels. You are not that tall. If you wear a push up bra. You don't have that kinda of cleavage. Lipstick. Your lips are not that red. Foundation your are just covering up blemishes. Your lashes are not that long nor your I brows so thick. A change is a change.
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i think using makeup and such is okay. I mean it uses topical 'treatments' to accentuate what you want accentuated and make less visible what you don't want visible. it doesn't actually add or remove anything. Surgery to remove things from accidents and such, like scars, I think is okay. Blemishes. But having small breasts is not a blemish, and people should only have wieght loss surgery for health purposes IMO. I mean there is a differencne between trying to accentuate what is considered attractive universally and fitting yourself to a fad. I mean, thin waists and large breasts is a bit of a fad. Having a mole removed or scars worked on is on the surface of the skin... having bags put inside your breasts is just like stuffing your bra in my opinion
Women who have to change what dna gave them must be pretty insecure. They can't help it if situations left blemishes, but changing what you were destined to have... I was watching disney's beauty and the beast today (my little sister had it on) and realized that belle's body is absolutely horrendous. I found it so. Our ideals are so unnatural looking. The only makeup I typically use is to even my skintone and cover acne scars and eye makeup. I don't wear lipstick or blush because I think it looks silly, nor do I wear high heels. A lot of folks think I'm a guy by the way I dress. I don't understand why people would want to manipulate what their genetics gave them... and I find a lot of what women do to look attractive, ridiculous or silly looking. Any healthy women would look a little odd wearing small clothes and gobbed in makeup in highheels... I guess I just don't see what's so attractive about being unrealistically proportioned. I admit to being attracted to slightly taller guys over shorter ones, but in chicks, I think the most beautiful body is 'average' weight with smaller breasts... kind of like those renaissance paintings of women and such except slightly less lumpy... I guess there is a difference between beauty and sex now -go figure
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01-10-2004, 11:07 PM | #188 | |
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What are you speaking of? Please show me anywhere in my post where I said YOU were a hypocrit. What I wrote shows that I am in SUPPORT of women ( girl in your case) who do as you do. Now before you take umbrage at my reply please recall that this is a written media so the emotional import may be lost ( in your post and mine )and I am just stating a response and not attacking you.
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01-10-2004, 11:16 PM | #189 | |
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Believe me, I wouldn't bother with make up if it didn't give me a "one up"where the fellows are concerned! But let me assure you....it does! Except, AE of course! I always thought the main thing that aroused men was the "difference" (full soft lips, finer textured, hairless skin, longer lashed eyes and more delicate bone structure) between male and female appearance. Also, I thought we put make-up on our face versus, say our hands, because when people communicate, they do so via the face. Lips move and need to be watched, eyes look at each other, all the facial muscles work to make expressions that "speak". Enhancing your face would seem to get you more attention when communicating, and you must communicate to find a mate. I'm not disagreeing with the baby theory, but it seems like there is more going on than just that bit.
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01-10-2004, 11:49 PM | #190 | |
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Lizra let me clarify if I can. Its not the make up itself that attracts guys its the false you that the illusion creates.
If you had two women that were basically the same but one had to apply make up to match the exact features of the other, I think that one with natural features would be chosen because the cosmetics would not have to be applied. So you use cosmetics to get an "edge". So I query you again what is the QUALITATIVE deference between the and cosmetic surgery. Quote:
But, some people what to have surgery to look "normal" Men might have gynecomastia, women might want breast reduction, you have a really large nose etc.... Some people just want to be "normal". If you have been teased and made fun of it ias not necessarily a matter of trying to be a super model or movie star. IMO, I think that it is ''cruel'' to chastize someone for wanting to accepted in CERTAIN ways. It's not like changing styles, or cliques people can suffer deep emotional scars. If some plastic surgery can give someone some self esteem more power to them.
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01-11-2004, 12:44 AM | #191 |
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For me, plastic surgery is just too drastic, not worth all the pain and money. Getting that serious of an edge is not neccessary..
I'm sorry, and pardon my denseness here, but my dictionary defines qualitative as : "Of, pertaining to, or concerning quality." I'm really not getting a good enough feel for the word to debate it with you. I told you the difference once...you said that was quantitative! (of, pertaining to quantity ) For me, make-up is a fun little game, plastic surgery is scary and painful and I'm certainly not that desperate. I am theorizing using myself as my data. Someone else...I don't know. This is my opinion. I once had a creepy boyfriend who loved women wearing lots of make up. It turned him on to see a woman "tarted up" or whatever. He would have gone for the made up woman over the plain one without question. So I think there is a "I'm interested" message given by a woman wearing make-up also. Sexuality is not a pure beauty contest! It's a fun, complex game we play, with many subtleties. I notice (and generally "perk up) when a man is all showered and fresh, smelling good with nice clothes on! Also, some women look worse with their badly applied or heavy handed make up...so it really doesn't give them a visual edge. Having surgery to want to look normal is a great idea. If you are "abnormal" it's great that surgery can help. But normal is not a Playboy centerfold!
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::shrug:: There are simply some things that, whilst not necessary, can help people to feel better about themselves. Having a nose-job is not necessary, but if having one will make you a happier person, then by all means, go ahead and do it. It really is no different from any other means of beautifying yourself. If I could in some way fix my hearing problem, you can imagine that I'd be first in line to do it. I have had to put up with a lot of **** from ignorant morons about my hearing aid, and my hearing problem; if I could somehow change it so that I was "normal" I know for a fact I'd be a happier person.
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all this talk about breast inlargement has got me thinking. about 2 years ago, my husband's (then fiance) roommate was talking about have breast augmentation done b/c she was"flat as a board" (her words not mine ) she went on and on about how her and her mom were made fun of b/c of their flat chests. It's a sad thing I think....why is having a large chest so important? What's the point? honestly?
I mentioned this to my mom who thought the idea was ridiculous...but then again is it really so different than having a big nose (like me) and wanting it reduced? Having been teased about it by my brother and others, I know how it feels to "not be pretty"...I think this is where alot of my no self esteem problem comes from. I know it sounds pathetic but really for sensitive people (like me) it is a big deal to be accepted by others...I don't know why Last edited by Arien the Maia : 01-11-2004 at 01:20 AM. |
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As for bigger breasts, my roommate is a 34-A. She's quite happy with her small breasts and she doesn't wish for anything else. Besides, I think big boobs make one look fatter than one actually is. As for the makeup comment, I wear some makeup. I mostly don't wear it, but I will wear mascara on occasion. through my experience, however, guys drool over 'high maintanance' chicks. They like the high healed, perfect hair, make-up laden babes. I don't know why they do, but from my experience, they do. I'm a nature girl. High heals get stuck in the mud at the river and don't grip the rocks well at all, so I wear hiking or backpacking boots. Perfect hair gets squashed under the hat that protects my no-makeup-sunscreen-wearing face from the sun. After all, would you expect anything less from an Elf? |
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Mwahhhha! Ruinel your nature girl thing is my kinda thing. May we can go through the bush ,down under,and through the outback
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