06-02-2006, 06:29 PM | #1 |
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Breaking the Rules?
the istari were sent disguised as old men, and were not to openly confront Sauron, or use their true power. on that note, three words: Gandalf the White. he did nothing BUT openly confront Sauron, and i'm pretty sure the beams of light he shot [he did that in the books too] were power, no?
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06-02-2006, 06:57 PM | #2 |
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And I'll raise you this:
How is it possible that every single living creature in Middle Earth didn't guess Gandalf's and Sauron's identities? The don't (or barely) age, live indefinitely, and have unique, non-human/elven powers. What other choices were there for them to be than Maia? |
06-02-2006, 07:02 PM | #3 |
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few in middle-earth probably remembered the existence of the maia, except the scattered remaining Faithful, who worshipped "god", the elves, who knew the truth and aided the istari.
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06-02-2006, 11:13 PM | #4 | |
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Being reincarnated by the Higher Power (Eru), he has been sent not like Gandalf-the Istari, but as Olorin - the Maia with all his full power at his disposal. |
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06-02-2006, 11:25 PM | #5 |
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ooooh...yes, that makes sense. ah, and he says, "Gandalf...yes...that was my name once..." alright...good point, Olmer!
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06-03-2006, 01:59 AM | #6 | |
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I fully agree with Olmer.
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In the Third Age Sauron was not that much around and mixing with people. Even the Istari and the Wise first first thought him to be a nazgul. The revelation that he was NOT a nazgul hit them after TA 2000 - probably because at the Siege of Minas Ithil all the Nine had been counted, and the Tenth at Dol Guldur had to be something else. As for the Second Age, it is noteworthy that Annatar didn't even try to pose as an Elf, which could have made his task a lot easier, he had to admit he was a Maia - and that rose some suspicions. Probably, at close quarters, when dealing with Calaquendi elves (and Celebrimbor was one), a Maia can't disguise his nature. |
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06-03-2006, 06:44 AM | #8 |
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Another Elf among the Mirdain would raise little suspicions - after all, there were some Noldor scattered after the disasters of the First Age who could eventually make their way to Ost-in-Edhil. Probably Sauron was even able to make himself look as a person they used to know, but believed dead.
But he didn't do it - he said he was Maia of Aule - Aulendil. At this time, before the Downfall, Sauron was still a shape-shifter, presumably. The one who can look as a wolf or a bat, would have no problems to look as an Elf - provided his opponents had no access into the Spirit World. |
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