Whay Sirus - Page 2

Eowyn, Lady of Rohan · 11-29-2003, 05:14 PM

I almost cried. Sirius was one of my favorite Characters!

Garina · 12-17-2003, 06:56 PM

I admit, I cried when Sirius died.

I think the main reason Sirius died is that he never grew up. He was a fairly immature teenager - as shown by Snape's Pensieve memory, and you get the idea that while 12 years in Azkaban robbed him of whatever innocence he had, it also caused him quite severe problems with his mental development. Although he tries to be responsible for Harry, when his own safety is in danger he doesn't consider anything. That's not Gryffindor bravery, that's just rashness, and failure to even think about what he's doing. Remus has accepted certain things, especially concerning the Maruader's past behaviour; Sirius still believes, roughly 15-18 years on, that luring Snape to the Shrieking Shack was fully justified, as was their bullying.

Also, Harry is a 'hero'. Heroes never seem to triumph until nearly everyone they care for is dead. (cynicism rules here)

Adrian Baggins · 12-18-2003, 01:48 PM

I know everyone thinks he is...and I know what the veil is called that gives us good reason to believe it is true...and even the reactions of Dumbledore and Lupin lead us to believe that our beloved character named Sirius Black is dead....but I don't believe it....Sirius is alive....I don't know why, but I get this feeling that the veil, is only a test, if you fail, you die, if you pass, you can set foot out the other side of the veil, and be alive. I guess that this is proibably just another one of my silly conspiracy theories, been making alot of those lately, but I don't think he is dead, it just, doesn't seem right.

Gulio, Strength of Many · 12-20-2003, 07:13 PM

I almost cried when Sirius died. So sad. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that he's dead and gone. Not coming back, ever. In (almost)every good book, at least one person dies. It's a bummer that it had to be Sirius, but oh well. I was still mad at him and James for teasing Snape, so that could be why I didn't cry. Maybe his death will help Harry grow up. He's fifteen years old, and he still has temper tantrums. Half the book was in capital letters because Harry was screaming and shouting.

Lalaith_Elf · 02-15-2004, 03:41 PM

Sirius was my favorite character.
When I read the chapter in which he died, I actually put the book down and wouldn't touch it, until a few hours later, when I felt that I had to finish it off.
I know he's dead, but I get a feeling that it's not the last we'll be seeing of him....

Gulio, Strength of Many · 02-22-2004, 07:54 PM

Okay, I'm over it. He's gone. And I don't miss him anymore. After thinking it over, I realized what an immature git he was. Probably because he was just...... I dunno......mean. Like a Jr higher. (No offence, it's just that Jr highers tend to be more petty and mean in my experience) Bye bye, Sirius! Have a good time being dead! Don't come back anytime soon!

Man, I'm gonna get toasted for this. *Puts on flame-proof suit*

**Nurvingiel** · 02-22-2004, 08:39 PM

*lights flame thrower*

Well think of all he went through! Sure, he was immature in school, but he spent the period of his life where he probably would have matured a great deal being tortured in Azkaban!

He genuinely cared for Harry, so what if he had an irrational hatred for Snape? No one's perfect. Considering all he went through, and his appaling family, I think he was doing very well.

That wasn't really much of a flame. But Sirius was great. Doomed possibly, but underserving of your insults.

sun-star · 02-23-2004, 08:00 AM

I agree with Nurvingiel - Sirius has plenty of reasons for being immature. I think what he went through would screw anyone up. Or in other words, his psychlogical developement was stunted by his early experiences, and he tried to relieve his youth through Harry. Understandable, IMO.

How do we judge maturity anyway? I think Sirius is more mature than Snape, for example.

thranduil · 03-02-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by gollum9630
i think this is part of JKR crazy plan. In the end of book 7, the same thing will happen as in book 4, but then sirius will ome out and kill Voldemort, and all the death eaters. (just a guess)

umm voldemort didn't kill sirius so why would he come out of his wand

Talathiel · 03-09-2004, 11:21 AM

I think that she removed Sirius because she knew that he would be an awkward person to put in later. I have written plays and stories, and it is difficult, sometimes, to think of ways to keep people in the story without wracking your brains to think of ways to use them. So you kill them so you don't need to worry about it. It's a bit cruel, but it works. Another thought--maybe she was trying to make him seem like Jesus. I know I am treading sacred ground here, and I'm not religious, but he died to protect Harry, and went bodily into death, both like Jesus. There's also that looming question of whether or not he'll come back. I am eloquent, and sorry.

Cool quote (but I don't know who said it): We live in a time when lemonade is made from artificial flavoring and furniture polish is made with real lemons.
What is this world coming to?!

sirigorn · 03-09-2004, 08:55 PM

I heard that she said that she killed Sirius for a reason. Maybe this'll be a big thing later on...

11-29-2003, 05:14 PM	#21
Eowyn, Lady of Rohan The Evil One Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: here, on the moot Posts: 804	I almost cried. Sirius was one of my favorite Characters! __________________ GO RED SOX Evanescence, Green Day, Weezer, the Click Five, Train...The best song artists and singers ever! You laugh cuz i'm different, i laugh cuz ur all the same!!!

12-17-2003, 06:56 PM	#22
Garina Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Tring, Herts, England Posts: 582	I admit, I cried when Sirius died. I think the main reason Sirius died is that he never grew up. He was a fairly immature teenager - as shown by Snape's Pensieve memory, and you get the idea that while 12 years in Azkaban robbed him of whatever innocence he had, it also caused him quite severe problems with his mental development. Although he tries to be responsible for Harry, when his own safety is in danger he doesn't consider anything. That's not Gryffindor bravery, that's just rashness, and failure to even think about what he's doing. Remus has accepted certain things, especially concerning the Maruader's past behaviour; Sirius still believes, roughly 15-18 years on, that luring Snape to the Shrieking Shack was fully justified, as was their bullying. Also, Harry is a 'hero'. Heroes never seem to triumph until nearly everyone they care for is dead. (cynicism rules here) __________________ Entmoot Resident Bard #2 Wielder of the shiny fire extinguisher Worshipper of the divine cheesecake Hamsters and Rangers everywhere, rejoice!!! Minsc, Baldur's Gate 2 Children, don't take drugs. Become a pop star, then people give them to you for free!!! - Billy Mack, Love Actually. While I'm sure the nice people from the local archery club meant well, a moment's consideration would have made them realise that giving my friend and I lethal weapons was probably not a good idea! Dammit, eyeliner and dreadlocks should not be that sexy!

12-18-2003, 01:48 PM	#23
Adrian Baggins Frodo's lil sis HP LotR fan Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: in a tree reading Harry P. and LotR Posts: 585	I know everyone thinks he is...and I know what the veil is called that gives us good reason to believe it is true...and even the reactions of Dumbledore and Lupin lead us to believe that our beloved character named Sirius Black is dead....but I don't believe it....Sirius is alive....I don't know why, but I get this feeling that the veil, is only a test, if you fail, you die, if you pass, you can set foot out the other side of the veil, and be alive. I guess that this is proibably just another one of my silly conspiracy theories, been making alot of those lately, but I don't think he is dead, it just, doesn't seem right. __________________ AB Adrian Baggins wizard, elf, mortal, hobbit Owner of the 3 unknown rings I LIKE HIEI!! LOOK AT MY AVITAR IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS!! H. Hysterically cold I. Insanely unhuman E. Effortlessly mocking I. Irresistabely hott "You're a team player, a save-the-day superhero pause I hate people like you." ~Hiei

12-20-2003, 07:13 PM	#24
Gulio, Strength of Many Lover of all things orange and cheesy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On a smokestack eating my the chekt. Posts: 1,045	I almost cried when Sirius died. So sad. But yeah, I'm pretty sure that he's dead and gone. Not coming back, ever. In (almost)every good book, at least one person dies. It's a bummer that it had to be Sirius, but oh well. I was still mad at him and James for teasing Snape, so that could be why I didn't cry. Maybe his death will help Harry grow up. He's fifteen years old, and he still has temper tantrums. Half the book was in capital letters because Harry was screaming and shouting. __________________ El Poco Diablo is watching you... It was like the Manifest Destiny all over again, except, instead of taking and consuming everything in their paths for God, they did so with the same fervor and sense of entitlement for their new god... themselves. If you want to know more about Jesus, have a prayer need, or want to talk about anything, PM me.

02-15-2004, 03:41 PM	#25
Lalaith_Elf Her Infernal Majesty Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,188	Sirius was my favorite character. When I read the chapter in which he died, I actually put the book down and wouldn't touch it, until a few hours later, when I felt that I had to finish it off. I know he's dead, but I get a feeling that it's not the last we'll be seeing of him.... __________________ "It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream. It is said that the world we live in is not a bit different from this." - Yamamoto Tsunetomo

02-22-2004, 07:54 PM	#26
Gulio, Strength of Many Lover of all things orange and cheesy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: On a smokestack eating my the chekt. Posts: 1,045	Okay, I'm over it. He's gone. And I don't miss him anymore. After thinking it over, I realized what an immature git he was. Probably because he was just...... I dunno......mean. Like a Jr higher. (No offence, it's just that Jr highers tend to be more petty and mean in my experience) Bye bye, Sirius! Have a good time being dead! Don't come back anytime soon! Man, I'm gonna get toasted for this. Puts on flame-proof suit __________________ El Poco Diablo is watching you... It was like the Manifest Destiny all over again, except, instead of taking and consuming everything in their paths for God, they did so with the same fervor and sense of entitlement for their new god... themselves. If you want to know more about Jesus, have a prayer need, or want to talk about anything, PM me.

02-23-2004, 08:00 AM	#28
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	I agree with Nurvingiel - Sirius has plenty of reasons for being immature. I think what he went through would screw anyone up. Or in other words, his psychlogical developement was stunted by his early experiences, and he tried to relieve his youth through Harry. Understandable, IMO. How do we judge maturity anyway? I think Sirius is more mature than Snape, for example. __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

03-09-2004, 11:21 AM	#30
Talathiel Sapling Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1	I think that she removed Sirius because she knew that he would be an awkward person to put in later. I have written plays and stories, and it is difficult, sometimes, to think of ways to keep people in the story without wracking your brains to think of ways to use them. So you kill them so you don't need to worry about it. It's a bit cruel, but it works. Another thought--maybe she was trying to make him seem like Jesus. I know I am treading sacred ground here, and I'm not religious, but he died to protect Harry, and went bodily into death, both like Jesus. There's also that looming question of whether or not he'll come back. I am eloquent, and sorry. Cool quote (but I don't know who said it): We live in a time when lemonade is made from artificial flavoring and furniture polish is made with real lemons. What is this world coming to?!

03-09-2004, 08:55 PM	#31
sirigorn Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: who wants to know? looks around suspiciously Posts: 497	I heard that she said that she killed Sirius for a reason. Maybe this'll be a big thing later on... __________________ Gimli: It was already dead Legolas: It was twitching! Gimli: It was twitching...because it's got my axe embeded in it's nervous system!! -Two Towers extended DVD I'm wearing black for Black. Well, then, I confess, it is my intention to commandeer one of these ships, pick up a crew in Tortuga, raid, pillage, plunder and otherwise pilfer my weasely black guts out!~Captain Jack Sparrow, Pirates of the Caribbean