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The Original Corruptor
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Elven Warrior
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The imaginations of darkness. Perhaps Gandalf was indeed the greater. Sauron spent all his time darkening everyone's minds, bodies and lives for his own benefit and so diminished himself; Gandalf, if not clearly as the Grey, then certainly as the White, saw through it all as a mental problem. He could laugh. In his book Something Wicked This Way Comes, Ray Bradbury has his child-hero knock off the bad guy by shooting him with a wax bullet into which a smile has been carved. JRRT was certainly on another wavelength, but perhaps there is this similarity in thought between them as to what is Evil's ultimate weakness. Quote:
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Hobbit
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I wish there were definite answers to these questions, and given speculation plays a pivitol role, makes it all the more harder to come to conclusions.Damn, if only i could speak with Tolkien.....
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Hobbit
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Sauron forging the ring surely would have weakened his physical state, as his improved power was used primarily in controlling of others,and the rings.Is it possible, had he not made the one ring, that overall he would be mightier in physical power(strength),and being less susceptible to sustaining injuries or death, as the ring contained a serious amount of his essence, kind of a death trap of sorts?
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Hobbit
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You DON'T know the POWER of the dark side........i MUST obey Frodo!
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Elven Warrior
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Sauron 100 you do have a v.good split personality thing goin there
ROTFL huh ![]() ![]() i think all the maiar were poerful only in certain times so it would be very hard to rank them e.g. radagast was good at talking to creatures like birds but balrogs weren't this maybe goin off topic if the maiar who went to melkor to become his servants were all different how come they all became the same species of balrog?
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Fëanáro's Fire Mistress
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Weren't balrogs originally fire Maiar? I mean they would be in the same class as Arien wouldn't they? ( only that they were seduced by Melkor and she wasn't?) So are fire Maiar more dangerous than other kinds of Maiar?
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The Quite Querulous Quendi
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There is a reference to the "frosts of Melkor" in the north of Beleriand. I wonder if there were balrog equivalents with other elemental themes? cheers d PS - ROTFL means Roll on the floor laughing. (I had to look it up on the net). Maybe there should be a shorthand glossary on the site somewhere. LOL = laughout loud IM(H)O = In my (humble) opinion RTFM = Read the ******** manual IIRC = If I recall correctly Maybe the moderators could have: DAFSB = Do a ******* search, bozo ![]() |
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![]() I know that Udûn is a controversial topic and its meaning unclear, but wonder if there is an inherent difference in the type of fire these Maiar served or contained within themselves. As for relative danger compared to other types of Maiar, I don't know. Gandalf did tell Gimli, during their meeting in Fangorn, that he, Gandalf, was more dangerous than anyone Gimli would meet unless he was brought alive into Sauron's presence; and certainly nobody in their right mind would want to meet Arien up close and personal. But I would be very careful around any Maia, even Melian: they all seem way too powerful for casual human contact.
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Fëanáro's Fire Mistress
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The Insufferable
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Melian (a maia) married Thingol (an elf)
Her daughter luthien married beren (a man). So you have only one degree of seperation between maia and man.
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Elven Warrior
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One heckuva big degree, though.
![]() Did Melian ever say anything "on the record" to Beren? This is not brought up as a point for proof of anything, just curiosity now that I think about it. During Beren's initial meeting with Thingol, of course, she was silent while Beren was there, as it was definitely a King and "father" moment, but afterward I seem to remember her just speaking to Luthien or to Thingol about the whole Luthien/Beren meeting...??
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Fëanáro's Fire Mistress
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![]() I have a question that is relative to Maiar in a way.....what would happen if a Maiar and a mortal (i.e. race of Men) were to marry and have a child? What would the fate of the child be and would it change the fate of both the Maia and mortal? This is just mere speculation...I've always wondered about it.
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Elf Lord
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I can guess that the son (of daughter) of them will have to choose, to be a maia or a man. I'm not really sure.
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