Orc Queen

Twista · 01-08-2004, 04:28 PM

Do you think there was a big Orc Queen (Like a Queen Bee) ejecting millions of orcs aday ready to be trained? lol

Ruinel · 01-08-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Twista
Do you think there was a big Orc Queen (Like a Queen Bee) ejecting millions of orcs aday ready to be trained? lol

no
where the hell would you get this idea from?

Twista · 01-08-2004, 04:46 PM

explain how they just appear? lol. Fair enough, out the ground, yeh, but how did 'hatch?'. And another question.. How did Sauromon breed goblins and men anyways?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-08-2004, 04:59 PM

You are puting entirely too much emphasis on the movies. Saruman did not breed the Orcs. They were bred by Morgoth in the First Age and Sauron bred the Uruk-hai.

Twista · 01-08-2004, 05:00 PM

Yes i know, Saurumon was my second question. How did he bread them? With what means? I take it he didnt have 'test tube gobblins' going about.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-08-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally posted by Twista
Yes i know, Saurumon was my second question. How did he bread them? With what means? I take it he didnt have 'test tube gobblins' going about.

Again, Saruman did not breed the Orcs. Tolkien's original idea was Morgoth captured and tortured Elves in the First Age, and by slow cruel arts bred the race of Orcs. However, in the HoMe series, CT tells us that Orcs were bred from corrupted Men, and this was his father's final word on it. Orcs did not come from pods, or spring up out of the ground. They multiplied by the same means as Elves and Men, which was meant to be a great slap in the face to Iluvatar.

Lefty Scaevola · 01-08-2004, 07:20 PM

The definitive published answer is "..they mulitplied after the fashion of the children of Illuvitar". This means they had daddies, mommies, and babies, like humans and elves did.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-08-2004, 07:24 PM

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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
The definitive published answer is "..they mulitplied after the fashion of the children of Illuvitar". This means they had daddies, mommies, and babies, like humans and elves did.

That's what I meant.

Ruinel · 01-08-2004, 09:07 PM

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Originally posted by Twista
explain how they just appear? lol. Fair enough, out the ground, yeh, but how did 'hatch?'.

*slaps palm to forehead and grimaces*
Please, read the books... I promise you that you will experience joy beyond measure if you do so.

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And another question.. How did Sauromon breed goblins and men anyways?

The same way you were bred.

Lefty Scaevola · 01-08-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
That's what I meant.

X-post, I am a slow typer

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-08-2004, 10:07 PM

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Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
X-post, I am a slow typer

**Nurvingiel** · 01-08-2004, 10:12 PM

An orc nuclear family... imagine the awfulness.

Shagrat's mom? *Shudders*

Dúnedain · 01-09-2004, 12:53 AM

Orc women are probably like Dwarf women. You never know who is who, but they are still able to get the job done!

Beor · 01-09-2004, 03:46 AM

So imagine Sauron at the baby orc nursury (i spell bad) looking at all the little baby orcs, "aw lookit the cut widdle orc! Hey, orcy, hey, its your uncle Sauron, the enemy of the free peoples of middle earth!" Turns to mother orc, "He's really cute, Griszkankshshi, you should be very proud"

Ruinel · 01-09-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by Beor
So imagine Sauron at the baby orc nursury (i spell bad) looking at all the little baby orcs, "aw lookit the cut widdle orc! Hey, orcy, hey, its your uncle Sauron, the enemy of the free peoples of middle earth!" Turns to mother orc, "He's really cute, Griszkankshshi, you should be very proud"

I do not believe that any love nor affection would be given to an Orc at any time in their lives. They knew pain, sufferring, fear and inflicting the like on others.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that they knew no motherly love at all, were provided the bare necessities only to allow them to live and to allow only the strong to survive. Any weakness was weaned out of them, and those that showed kindness were most likely culled.

Melko Belcha · 01-09-2004, 11:59 AM

Other then Tolkien says the Orcs bred after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar, you must remember that in The Hobbit and LotR it says that Bolg was the son of Azog, so Bolg had to have a mother if he was someones son.

Twista · 01-09-2004, 12:03 PM

Surely there must be an extensive writing about this somewhere? No one know about it?

***Valandil*** · 01-09-2004, 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
I do not believe that any love nor affection would be given to an Orc at any time in their lives. They knew pain, sufferring, fear and inflicting the like on others.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that they knew no motherly love at all, were provided the bare necessities only to allow them to live and to allow only the strong to survive. Any weakness was weaned out of them, and those that showed kindness were most likely culled.

Or, who knows? Maybe all the 'nice orcs' were just kept in the caves to do the 'work'... while all the 'mean orcs' joined the army, went out and killed people???

Twista · 01-09-2004, 12:17 PM

Like in the film 'Ants' lol. I liked that disney film.

***Valandil*** · 01-09-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by Twista
Like in the film 'Ants' lol. I liked that disney film.

Well... let's don't 'disnify' Tolkien!

Besides, my suggestion was more light-hearted than serious.

I think there was actually a thread about whether or not orcs were redeemable (the way this thread now seems to be drifting). I guess the whole nature/nurture thing...

*hmmm... if an orc cub were raised by elves, what would he be like?*

01-08-2004, 04:28 PM	#1
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Orc Queen Do you think there was a big Orc Queen (Like a Queen Bee) ejecting millions of orcs aday ready to be trained? lol __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

01-08-2004, 04:46 PM	#3
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	explain how they just appear? lol. Fair enough, out the ground, yeh, but how did 'hatch?'. And another question.. How did Sauromon breed goblins and men anyways? __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

01-08-2004, 04:59 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	You are puting entirely too much emphasis on the movies. Saruman did not breed the Orcs. They were bred by Morgoth in the First Age and Sauron bred the Uruk-hai. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-08-2004, 05:00 PM	#5
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Yes i know, Saurumon was my second question. How did he bread them? With what means? I take it he didnt have 'test tube gobblins' going about. __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

01-08-2004, 07:20 PM	#7
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	The definitive published answer is "..they mulitplied after the fashion of the children of Illuvitar". This means they had daddies, mommies, and babies, like humans and elves did. __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me,"

01-09-2004, 12:53 AM	#13
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Orc women are probably like Dwarf women. You never know who is who, but they are still able to get the job done! __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

01-09-2004, 03:46 AM	#14
Beor founder of the color blue Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: E-Space Posts: 1,727	So imagine Sauron at the baby orc nursury (i spell bad) looking at all the little baby orcs, "aw lookit the cut widdle orc! Hey, orcy, hey, its your uncle Sauron, the enemy of the free peoples of middle earth!" Turns to mother orc, "He's really cute, Griszkankshshi, you should be very proud" __________________ Well, there it is.

01-09-2004, 11:59 AM	#16
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	Other then Tolkien says the Orcs bred after the manner of the Children of Iluvatar, you must remember that in The Hobbit and LotR it says that Bolg was the son of Azog, so Bolg had to have a mother if he was someones son. __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

01-09-2004, 12:03 PM	#17
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Surely there must be an extensive writing about this somewhere? No one know about it? __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

01-09-2004, 12:17 PM	#19
Twista Orodruin's Flame Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Kananaskis, AB Posts: 1,194	Like in the film 'Ants' lol. I liked that disney film. __________________ Council of Entmoot - Foreign Affairs Minister - 2004-05 Visit the Ye Olde Avatar Shop and The New One Dont tell me what I cannot do Two men are on a Island, they both see a "monster", one sees a bright light, and the other sees a dark cloud My name bares no reference to the music artist.

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