What are the 'Seven Stars'?

***Valandil*** · 12-30-2003, 10:27 AM

From the poem about the Numenoreans in Exile:

"Seven stones and seven stars and one white tree."

The seven stones are the palantiri, the white tree is the white tree. What are the seven stars? I imagine these are also the seven stars (above the tree and below the crown) on Elendil's emblem.

I had wondered before if it was a double reference to the palantiri... but now I'm going on the opposite assumption - that they're distinctly something else. Anyone know?

Artanis · 12-30-2003, 10:45 AM

Take a look at this thread: Seven stars

Lefty Scaevola · 12-30-2003, 11:24 AM

There is a reference somewhere in HoME to Varda making the seven stars about the time the elves awakened.
Edit: I am not currently with my books, but I found this reference on the web:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8611/tolk2.htm

Artanis · 12-30-2003, 11:27 AM

Yes, it's the Valacirca, The Sickle of the Valar.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 12-30-2003, 11:33 AM

Artanis provided the link to the other thread, which should really be in this forum instead of the LotRs book forum, so I'll close this one, and move that one.

12-30-2003, 10:27 AM	#1
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	What are the 'Seven Stars'? From the poem about the Numenoreans in Exile: "Seven stones and seven stars and one white tree." The seven stones are the palantiri, the white tree is the white tree. What are the seven stars? I imagine these are also the seven stars (above the tree and below the crown) on Elendil's emblem. I had wondered before if it was a double reference to the palantiri... but now I'm going on the opposite assumption - that they're distinctly something else. Anyone know?

12-30-2003, 10:45 AM	#2
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Take a look at this thread: Seven stars __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

12-30-2003, 11:24 AM	#3
Lefty Scaevola AngAdan Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Boerne, Texas Posts: 856	There is a reference somewhere in HoME to Varda making the seven stars about the time the elves awakened. Edit: I am not currently with my books, but I found this reference on the web: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corridor/8611/tolk2.htm __________________ Gaius Mucius Scaevola Older, richer, and wiser than you "Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor, but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Iluvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, ... And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me," Last edited by Lefty Scaevola : 12-30-2003 at 11:25 AM.

12-30-2003, 11:27 AM	#4
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Yes, it's the Valacirca, The Sickle of the Valar. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

12-30-2003, 11:33 AM	#5
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Artanis provided the link to the other thread, which should really be in this forum instead of the LotRs book forum, so I'll close this one, and move that one. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

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