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Male/Female war question
I passed the question around to my male friends and I am curious to what the females would say to this scenario.
The idea was brought up while discussioning Black Hawk Down were it was Tom Sizemore's character or perhaps it was Eric Banna's who says something to the extend of " My brothers in arms are out there and I am going back to bring them in" Basically, the males that I spoke too said something to this affect "Even if I had a wife and had sired children, I do not think I could have left the field knowing that I had comrades out there that I had a chance to help them. I would have trouble living with myself I did not make the attempt" This means situations where there is "reasonable chance" that you can rescue your friends. We had the impression that females might not understand our feelings in this matter. We felt that females might act that way towards their children but perhaps not in other situations. I am posting this here now because it is about 2:35 Tokyo time and it is a little late to call/meet our female friends to discuss this. What are your thoughts upon our tentitive male/female differences in this scenario?
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this is very interesting subject...
I dont know what to say though....
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On another board someone posted this and my response follows.
Male/Female war question quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by afro-elf We had the impression that females might not understand our feelings in this matter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Really? I wouldn't have thought that. Obviously, I'm not female, so I have no real ground to speak from. But, it would be my thought that feelings of kinship, friendship, fraternity (not the Greek organization) are fairly universal. I don't see why such loyalties would be considered a male-only functionality The idea was that a female might feel that blood is thicker than water. My response: In the sense if a woman had a child and others were fully capable of rescuing her friends she might think it better to let the others go on the rescue mission due to her being a mother. The males in our discussion groups all said they would go no matter if they had a family or not. In no way did any of us think that such loyalties would be considered a male-only functionality. But specifically, would a mother make the same choice that we would have taken? Perhaps a better way to put would be not that they might not understand our feelings, but would they have taken the same action if they were mothers, as we would have if we were fathers in the same situation even if others could do the job? I hope provided some clarity.
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I see no reason why a woman, more specifically, a mother would act any different in this situation.
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i won't speak for women... but if it was an optional thing (i.e. i need ten people to go on this mission), as a father with young children i would let the single guys (or girls) go first... call me what you will, but in my mind family comes first... even before friends, and yes, country... that said, if it had to be me, and there was a chance to recover people (and not just corpses) i would do it in a heartbeat
if i did not have kids, or they were older, i might not feel this way... but for the first thirteen years or so, i think your children must come first
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I would agree with you, BJ. Family should come before friends, and even country.
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And what about in "Saving Private Ryan", one of the guys in the assigment to bring him back sarcastically observes something like: "Don't we have mothers, too?"
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Re: Male/Female war question
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Why would that be any different for the woman? Does she value her friends/comrades less? Because I am female, and know that I personally would never leave my friends behind even if there was a slim chance of them being saved (though to be fair I have no children so don't qualify to answer the question properly I suppose) I don't understand why you would think this.
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