More bombings in Turkey

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 05:38 AM

Al Qaeda seems to be seriously tryign to destabilize Turkey. 3 or 4 bombs just went off in Istanbul Turkey. The Turkish stock exchange is closed down. Malls bombed and stuff. It looks like a mess. The British Consulate was also bombed.

Now they said maybe up to 5 explosions.

Since Turkey is a NATO member - do we get NATO involved in there? Just a question.

It seems as if all bombings have British connections.

***Jonathan*** · 11-20-2003, 07:18 AM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
Al Qaeda seems to be seriously tryign to destabilize Turkey. 3 or 4 bombs just went off in Istanbul Turkey. The Turkish stock exchange is closed down. Malls bombed and stuff. It looks like a mess. The British Consulate was also bombed.

Now they said maybe up to 5 explosions.

Since Turkey is a NATO member - do we get NATO involved in there? Just a question.

It seems as if all bombings have British connections.

It's only days since the synagogue bombings in Istanbul which claimed more than 20 lives. Those bombings seemed to target the Jewish people, but this time it seems as if they just wanted to kill as many people as possible. And the fact that a bomb went of outside the British Consulate could be a sign that the terrorists aren't too fond of how the Turkish government approaches the West more and more.

I don't think NATO will get involved in this, but it's not impossible. The problem is that this seems to be a domestic problem and the terrorists cannot be linked to a specific nation - Al Qaeda doesn't operate in a single country but in many countries, apparantly in Turkey as well.
So what could NATO possibly do?

***Valandil*** · 11-20-2003, 07:30 AM

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So what could NATO possibly do?

Well... NATO COULD maybe get on board with what the US has been forced to do. Try to root out these terrorists wherever they are???

***Jonathan*** · 11-20-2003, 07:46 AM

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Well... NATO COULD maybe get on board with what the US has been forced to do. Try to root out these terrorists wherever they are???

That would mean NATO troops would have to enter democratic countries like the UK and France, because Al Qaeda cells are found there as well. Now how would that look like?
No, to find and catch the terrorists is the job of the intelligence agencies and the police. It is they who have to work together with their collegues in different countries - this is not the job of a military alliance.

Of course, the NATO did a good job in attacking Afghanistan when the Taliban regime actively supported Al Qaeda. But most countries in which there are Al Qaeda cells don't support them and want to get rid of them.

[edit] Just a little something - the terrorists who bombed the synagogues this weekend weren't members of Al Qaeda, even if they're supposed to have connections with Al Qaeda.

[edity edit] The number of deaths is rising. So far 17 people have been reported dead and over 300 are injured.

The Gaffer · 11-20-2003, 08:14 AM

It's complete madness. I've been working from home with the news channel on and ot just keeps on coming.

Terrible.

Radagast The Brown · 11-20-2003, 08:24 AM

I can't see what the police in Turkey can do right now. I mean - how would you know that one person is a suicide bomber, and the other isn't?

The attacks were indeed terrible.

***Jonathan*** · 11-20-2003, 08:25 AM

Bush and Blair are talking about the bombings in Istanbul right now on CNN.
The death toll climbs to 25, and they expect it to climb even more

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by Jonathan
That would mean NATO troops would have to enter democratic countries like the UK and France, because Al Qaeda cells are found there as well. Now how would that look like?
No, to find and catch the terrorists is the job of the intelligence agencies and the police. It is they who have to work together with their collegues in different countries - this is not the job of a military alliance.

Of course, the NATO did a good job in attacking Afghanistan when the Taliban regime actively supported Al Qaeda. But most countries in which there are Al Qaeda cells don't support them and want to get rid of them.

I agree getting NATO involved would be difficult in terms of mobilizing them in Turkey - but they can be used in Afganistan to root out Al Qaeda. There are troops still in Afganistan - but I don't think there are as many as before and I don't think there are under NATO. I was also wondering if NATO should be developing anti-terrorist units.

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[edit] Just a little something - the terrorists who bombed the synagogues this weekend weren't members of Al Qaeda, even if they're supposed to have connections with Al Qaeda.

Turkish CNN said that bombers had gone to Al Qaeda training camp. I don't think it really matters if they actual full fledged members of Al Qaeda or supported by Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda is PLANNING out the attacks at the very least and MUST be stopped.

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[edity edit] The number of deaths is rising. So far 17 people have been reported dead and over 300 are injured.

26 dead as well as the Consul General.

So - let's see - how many of the protesters in Britain are demostrating against the terrorists?

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 12:58 PM

Well only good can come out of this in my eyes. At least other countries will actually realize the threat of terrorism now. The Muslim Extremists are even attacking Muslims, and Turkey hasn't even been involved with what's going on in Iraq other than being an Ally. I think NATO would be a great thing to get moving, certainly better than the UN...

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 01:12 PM

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Well only good can come out of this in my eyes. At least other countries will actually realize the threat of terrorism now. The Muslim Extremists are even attacking Muslims, and Turkey hasn't even been involved with what's going on in Iraq other than being an Ally.

I agree. They're burning their bridges. I think it will mobolize countries further against terrorism - it already having that affect in Saudi Arabia. Before they were coddling the terrorists and fanatical islamic groups - now because of the recent bombings that have started taking action.

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I think NATO would be a great thing to get moving, certainly better than the UN...

I think so too - just have to get France and Germany to do something or at the very least - not stand in the way.

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 01:20 PM

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I think so too - just have to get France and Germany to do something or at the very least - not stand in the way.

Well, isn't it easier to get NATO involved than to get the UN involved? I know that's why Clinton passed over the UN and went straight to NATO to deal with Milosevic...

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 01:27 PM

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Well, isn't it easier to get NATO involved than to get the UN involved? I know that's why Clinton passed over the UN and went straight to NATO to deal with Milosevic...

Yeah - because you know all the UN is is a glorified debating society and is made up countries that have no desire for human rights or freedom for their citizens or others.

Dúnedain · 11-20-2003, 01:29 PM

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Yeah - because you know all the UN is is a glorified debating society and is made up countries that have no desire for human rights or freedom for their citizens or others.

lol

***Rían*** · 11-20-2003, 02:55 PM

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I can't see what the police in Turkey can do right now. I mean - how would you know that one person is a suicide bomber, and the other isn't?

I guess you can identify a successful suicide/homocide bomber (or at least parts...) but it is hard to identify a potential one

Just as an aside - the military radar company I worked for sold some ATC radars to Turkey. I've sat in meetings with Turkish officers and had meals with them. One of the officers had a little boy who was the same age as my youngest boy - I remember him clearly - he had a wonderful smile - and I remember how much he loved his little boy...

Radagast The Brown · 11-20-2003, 03:12 PM

It's hard to find them, especially when they're already in Turkey, and can go anywhere they want. How exactly can you identify which guy is a terrorist and wich isn't? And even if you see a bomb, what would prevent hi to blow up when he understands he's discovered?

Sween · 11-20-2003, 03:15 PM

I blaim our government if you chose to follow someone down into ruin and despair the conaquences will be terriable as unfortintally we are gonna find out

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 03:23 PM

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I blaim our government if you chose to follow someone down into ruin and despair the conaquences will be terriable as unfortintally we are gonna find out

yeah - of course it's the US fault.

As Jack Straw said this morning - 9/11 was planned while Clinton's watch - it just happened to be executed under Bush's. if you really think that the terrorists are only coming after Britain because of their support with the US - you really do have your head in the sand. Al Qaeda had KNOWN plans to fly planes into the Eiffel Tower. Do you think that just because France didn't support us in the war in Iraq that they're safe? Osama bin Ladin in his speeches has REPEATEDLY declared war on the west - not just America, but on the West. It would be good if you woke up to this fact.

Radagast The Brown · 11-20-2003, 03:29 PM

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if you really think that the terrorists are only coming after Britain because of their support with the US - you really do have your head in the sand. Al Qaeda had KNOWN plans to fly planes into the Eiffel Tower. Do you think that just because France didn't support us in the war in Iraq that they're safe? Osama bin Ladin in his speeches has REPEATEDLY declared war on the west - not just America, but on the West. It would be good if you woke up to this fact.

Maybe Osamam decleared war on the West - but he also keep metioning USA. He dislike USA particulary (not to mention us), and also, he would probably think that 'if USA falls the west falls', which is true. (but I doubt US will fall).

I agree that he doesn't want to destroy only USA, he wants to destroy all the free world.

jerseydevil · 11-20-2003, 03:33 PM

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Maybe Osamam decleared war on the West - but he also keep metioning USA. He dislike USA particulary (not to mention us), and also, he would probably think that 'if USA falls the west falls', which is true. (but I doubt US will fall).

I agree that he doesn't want to destroy only USA, he wants to destroy all the free world.

yes - he brings us up. He wants to cause a rift between our allies, and scare them into not helping us. But he also speaks out against the west in general and the destruction of the western world. He has also declared that he wants all the world to be muslim. So unless we fight him and terrorism - I hope everyone can accept islam. For myself - I will die before I let him win.

sun-star · 11-20-2003, 04:09 PM

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I blaim our government if you chose to follow someone down into ruin and despair the conaquences will be terriable as unfortintally we are gonna find out

They would have been terrible anyway. Iraq or no Iraq, this would eventually have happened. It's no good blaming Tony Blair for the actions of terrorists. Terrorists like these don't distinguish between American and European - we're all the same to them. As indeed we are all the same, though we might not like to admit it

These events are terrible though

11-20-2003, 05:38 AM	#1
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11-20-2003, 08:24 AM	#6
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11-20-2003, 12:58 PM	#9
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Well only good can come out of this in my eyes. At least other countries will actually realize the threat of terrorism now. The Muslim Extremists are even attacking Muslims, and Turkey hasn't even been involved with what's going on in Iraq other than being an Ally. I think NATO would be a great thing to get moving, certainly better than the UN... __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

11-20-2003, 03:12 PM	#15
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	It's hard to find them, especially when they're already in Turkey, and can go anywhere they want. How exactly can you identify which guy is a terrorist and wich isn't? And even if you see a bomb, what would prevent hi to blow up when he understands he's discovered? __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

11-20-2003, 08:14 AM	#5
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	It's complete madness. I've been working from home with the news channel on and ot just keeps on coming. Terrible.

11-20-2003, 03:15 PM	#16
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	I blaim our government if you chose to follow someone down into ruin and despair the conaquences will be terriable as unfortintally we are gonna find out __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

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