Khazad Dum

Cassius · 11-03-2003, 04:40 PM

Despite what most people think or believe or whatever, The movies are good. In particular how the extended part of the fellowship's journey through Khazad Dum. Now most people aren't as critical as I am about how dwarves are rendered in art or otherwise, but the LOTR movies have cleared the bar. Look at how much detail is put into everything! The architecture is amazing, and well rendered in special effects. While the stair scene was a bit lenghty, it provided an excellent time for me to go to the bathroom in the theater. Some people say that the fight scene near Balin's tomb is crappy and that the troll stabbing Frodo was crappy since it was really an orc captain, I say this to you people: LETS SEE YOU DO BETTER! For someone who has unlimited funds and immortal actors go ahead and film the books word for word! I'd be glad to see it, but until then appreciate all of the hard work put into it! As to one specific feature that i doubt anyone has missed, the balrog, they did an excellent job (the balrog is a pivotal part of Khazad Dum, so don't get pissy). I can safely say that the passage through Khazad Dum is one of the best parts (PLURAL: PARTS!) of the Fellowship movie.

GenX · 11-03-2003, 11:40 PM

Great job Cassius. I completely agree the detail does show how much work and effort was put into the making of the LOTR. Though this does pose another question. How do Dwarfs live in such a place. Without light or running water or the opportunity to grow food. Also the craftsmenship they can't do this with such short bodies, and nubby fingers. I just don't get it. Prove this to me with specific page numbers in the books and published dates of the novels.

gimli7410 · 11-04-2003, 12:51 AM

well the extended additon is the one that seems to stick to the book .i mean you cant really fit one of those books into a movie. i think pj said that the extended addition for the second movie has a lot of the missing parts and it will be the same with the third one. its also hard to remake a movie of a book that will suit all audiences of non readers and readers.

jerseydevil · 11-04-2003, 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by Cassius
While the stair scene was a bit lenghty, it provided an excellent time for me to go to the bathroom in the theater.

BB -err cassius - a GOOD movie doesn't give you an excuse to go to the bathroom.

jerseydevil · 11-04-2003, 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by gimli7410
well the extended additon is the one that seems to stick to the book .i mean you cant really fit one of those books into a movie. i think pj said that the extended addition for the second movie has a lot of the missing parts and it will be the same with the third one. its also hard to remake a movie of a book that will suit all audiences of non readers and readers.

So - is he going to take out the ridiculous Theoden exorcism, the kidnapping of Frodo to Osgiliath, the falling of Aragorn over the cliff and make Treebeard know what was going on in the forest he supposedly cared about so much? If not - then the extended versions can't save the movie in my eyes.

thranduil · 11-04-2003, 01:23 AM

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Originally posted by jerseydevil
BB -err cassius - a GOOD movie doesn't give you an excuse to go to the bathroom.

Ha Ha, I love it JD. You make me laugh,(clears throught) oh yes a just point.

Cassius · 11-04-2003, 03:49 PM

Well Jerseyman, I don't suppose you care if your kidneys burst in a theater packed full of people, but I do. I really good movie allows people that time to empty their kidneys and still come back and see the biggest baddest creature in the books.

And as to how dwarves live underground, beats me. It never mentions it in the Books, LOTR or Silmarillion, I just reread both to find out more about Dwarven aspects, but it is all very vague. Maybe if Tolkein lived longer we would all know. As to my guess, I would have crops grown in the mountains, they did carve windows to let the sun in.

And as to my official status on whether the books are better than the movies, the answer is obvious, the BOOKS!! A movie is a good way to visualize, all that I need is my imagination.

jerseydevil · 11-04-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Cassius
Well Jerseyman, I don't suppose you care if your kidneys burst in a theater packed full of people, but I do. I really good movie allows people that time to empty their kidneys and still come back and see the biggest baddest creature in the books.

I don't know- I was able to see Harry Potter and FotR back to back with no problem.

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And as to how dwarves live underground, beats me. It never mentions it in the Books, LOTR or Silmarillion, I just reread both to find out more about Dwarven aspects, but it is all very vague. Maybe if Tolkein lived longer we would all know. As to my guess, I would have crops grown in the mountains, they did carve windows to let the sun in.

BB - I don't think Tolkien had to explain every little thing. I mean he didn't explain the birds and the bees between elves or the ents either.

Cassius · 11-04-2003, 06:00 PM

I'm surprised you have time to watch those two movies back to back...(cough)

Anyways, I don't expect Tolkein to got into every tiny speck on the smallest little ant, it is impossible. However, I do believe that there were things that Tolkein wanted to clarify or continue on. I know, I am an author. I doubt that in my lifetime that I will be able to perfectly clarify all of my writing to anyone, not even my (future) children.

thranduil · 11-04-2003, 06:23 PM

khazad dum was terrific scene. I think Tolkein would be pleased with that scene. Besides the troll extension. IT portrayed the mines correctly. THe only thing that really bugged me was gandalfs fall. It seemed like it was unnescessary, that he could have easily got up if he tried/ or helped up. (yes, yes, they couldn't help because the goblins were shooting "arrows"). Overall I too am amazed by the architechture in moria.

Cassius · 11-04-2003, 08:14 PM

Thank You, my point exactly.

11-03-2003, 04:40 PM	#1
Cassius Enting Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Erebor Posts: 58	Khazad Dum Despite what most people think or believe or whatever, The movies are good. In particular how the extended part of the fellowship's journey through Khazad Dum. Now most people aren't as critical as I am about how dwarves are rendered in art or otherwise, but the LOTR movies have cleared the bar. Look at how much detail is put into everything! The architecture is amazing, and well rendered in special effects. While the stair scene was a bit lenghty, it provided an excellent time for me to go to the bathroom in the theater. Some people say that the fight scene near Balin's tomb is crappy and that the troll stabbing Frodo was crappy since it was really an orc captain, I say this to you people: LETS SEE YOU DO BETTER! For someone who has unlimited funds and immortal actors go ahead and film the books word for word! I'd be glad to see it, but until then appreciate all of the hard work put into it! As to one specific feature that i doubt anyone has missed, the balrog, they did an excellent job (the balrog is a pivotal part of Khazad Dum, so don't get pissy). I can safely say that the passage through Khazad Dum is one of the best parts (PLURAL: PARTS!) of the Fellowship movie. __________________ -In the public house lavatory, incoming traffic has the right of way. (Da) -Don't understand, Just comprehend. (Cassius)

11-04-2003, 12:51 AM	#3
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	well the extended additon is the one that seems to stick to the book .i mean you cant really fit one of those books into a movie. i think pj said that the extended addition for the second movie has a lot of the missing parts and it will be the same with the third one. its also hard to remake a movie of a book that will suit all audiences of non readers and readers. __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

11-04-2003, 03:49 PM	#7
Cassius Enting Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Erebor Posts: 58	Potty time Well Jerseyman, I don't suppose you care if your kidneys burst in a theater packed full of people, but I do. I really good movie allows people that time to empty their kidneys and still come back and see the biggest baddest creature in the books. And as to how dwarves live underground, beats me. It never mentions it in the Books, LOTR or Silmarillion, I just reread both to find out more about Dwarven aspects, but it is all very vague. Maybe if Tolkein lived longer we would all know. As to my guess, I would have crops grown in the mountains, they did carve windows to let the sun in. And as to my official status on whether the books are better than the movies, the answer is obvious, the BOOKS!! A movie is a good way to visualize, all that I need is my imagination. __________________ -In the public house lavatory, incoming traffic has the right of way. (Da) -Don't understand, Just comprehend. (Cassius)

11-04-2003, 06:00 PM	#9
Cassius Enting Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Erebor Posts: 58	b's and the b's I'm surprised you have time to watch those two movies back to back...(cough) Anyways, I don't expect Tolkein to got into every tiny speck on the smallest little ant, it is impossible. However, I do believe that there were things that Tolkein wanted to clarify or continue on. I know, I am an author. I doubt that in my lifetime that I will be able to perfectly clarify all of my writing to anyone, not even my (future) children. __________________ -In the public house lavatory, incoming traffic has the right of way. (Da) -Don't understand, Just comprehend. (Cassius)

11-04-2003, 08:14 PM	#11
Cassius Enting Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Erebor Posts: 58	Thank You, my point exactly. __________________ -In the public house lavatory, incoming traffic has the right of way. (Da) -Don't understand, Just comprehend. (Cassius)

11-03-2003, 11:40 PM	#2
GenX Sapling Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 5	Great job Cassius. I completely agree the detail does show how much work and effort was put into the making of the LOTR. Though this does pose another question. How do Dwarfs live in such a place. Without light or running water or the opportunity to grow food. Also the craftsmenship they can't do this with such short bodies, and nubby fingers. I just don't get it. Prove this to me with specific page numbers in the books and published dates of the novels.

11-04-2003, 06:23 PM	#10
thranduil Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 345	khazad dum was terrific scene. I think Tolkein would be pleased with that scene. Besides the troll extension. IT portrayed the mines correctly. THe only thing that really bugged me was gandalfs fall. It seemed like it was unnescessary, that he could have easily got up if he tried/ or helped up. (yes, yes, they couldn't help because the goblins were shooting "arrows"). Overall I too am amazed by the architechture in moria.

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