What word did Gandalf bring?

Sween · 04-29-2003, 02:08 PM

Just reading the story of Galadreil and Celeborn in the unfinished tales and it tells of how Gandalf spoke at length with her about Valinor and brought her some dust from Yavanna to make her rhelm the most beautiful there is. Also that they brought her the Elessar to which Aragorn would eventually be given and gain his name.

What intrigies me is what other word would Gandalf also bring perhap word from her father whom it must be asumed is still alive if so what would he say i would imigin something hurry home etc. Is her mother alive as well?

who else would gandalf have a message for? Elrond? would the other isati bring messages with them? i would imigin this would of been one of the main ways in which they gained the trust of the cheif elder!

Lalaith · 04-29-2003, 02:17 PM

I guess he told Galadriel about the life in Valinor and about her friends and family. But primary I think that he talked to her about the evil things in middle-earth.

Sween · 04-29-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by Lalaith
I guess he told Galadriel about the life in Valinor and about her friends and family. But primary I think that he talked to her about the evil things in middle-earth.

whats Fininafinknow about evil things in middle earth? would the valar of sent words of what will be to come? much advice given on what choises to make? Galadriel certinally was the most powerful elf left in middle earth and one of the few to of met the valar

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-29-2003, 03:04 PM

Sure Galadriel's parents would be alive, along with Finrod and Angrod. Earwen never left Valinor that I know of. It never said if she was caught up in the Kinslaying. Finarfin turned back after the Doom of Mandos, and was given the kingship over the remaining Noldor in Valinor. So perhaps Gandalf just brought her greetings from her family. Especially her brothers, if they had been released from Mandos by that time.

Sween · 04-29-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
Sure Galadriel's parents would be alive, along with Finrod and Angrod. Earwen never left Valinor that I know of. It never said if she was caught up in the Kinslaying. Finarfin turned back after the Doom of Mandos, and was given the kingship over the remaining Noldor in Valinor. So perhaps Gandalf just brought her greetings from her family. Especially her brothers, if they had been released from Mandos by that time.

would Finrod of been released so fast?

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-29-2003, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by Sween
would Finrod of been released so fast?

Absolutely. The HoMe states that he and Glorfindel were both released quickly, and the Silmarillion implies such.

From the published Silmarillion.

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They buried the body of Felagund upon the hill-top of his own isle, and it was clean again; and the green grave of Finrod Finarfin's son, fairest of all the princes of the Elves, remained inviolate, until the land was changed and broken, and foundered under destroying seas. But Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in Eldamar.

***RÃan*** · 04-30-2003, 12:35 AM

Oh, SGH, I'm glad you brought that up - Gwaimir had asked about the releasing from Mandos' halls depending on how good/bad you had been, and I was going to ask people if they remembered where the reference was - I think it's in Morgoth's Ring, but can't find it right off the bat...do you recall where it is?

***RÃan*** · 04-30-2003, 12:55 AM

*IMs SGH, SGH says look in Laws and Customs in HoME 10, RÃ*an looks there and finds it!*

Horray SGH! It's in a little sub-section called "of re-birth and other dooms of those that go to Mandos". Thanks!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 04-30-2003, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by RÃ*an
*IMs SGH, SGH says look in Laws and Customs in HoME 10, RÃ*an looks there and finds it!*

Horray SGH! It's in a little sub-section called "of re-birth and other dooms of those that go to Mandos". Thanks!

Sure thing Rian.

Lalaith · 05-02-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Sween
whats Fininafinknow about evil things in middle earth? would the valar of sent words of what will be to come? much advice given on what choises to make? Galadriel certinally was the most powerful elf left in middle earth and one of the few to of met the valar

Maybe he did not tell what evil is awaiting them, but more what both already know and what they will have to do.

04-29-2003, 02:08 PM	#1
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	What word did Gandalf bring? Just reading the story of Galadreil and Celeborn in the unfinished tales and it tells of how Gandalf spoke at length with her about Valinor and brought her some dust from Yavanna to make her rhelm the most beautiful there is. Also that they brought her the Elessar to which Aragorn would eventually be given and gain his name. What intrigies me is what other word would Gandalf also bring perhap word from her father whom it must be asumed is still alive if so what would he say i would imigin something hurry home etc. Is her mother alive as well? who else would gandalf have a message for? Elrond? would the other isati bring messages with them? i would imigin this would of been one of the main ways in which they gained the trust of the cheif elder! __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

04-29-2003, 02:17 PM	#2
Lalaith The Elvish Temptress Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,055	I guess he told Galadriel about the life in Valinor and about her friends and family. But primary I think that he talked to her about the evil things in middle-earth. __________________ What I am and what I would are as secret as maidenhead.

04-29-2003, 03:04 PM	#4
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Sure Galadriel's parents would be alive, along with Finrod and Angrod. Earwen never left Valinor that I know of. It never said if she was caught up in the Kinslaying. Finarfin turned back after the Doom of Mandos, and was given the kingship over the remaining Noldor in Valinor. So perhaps Gandalf just brought her greetings from her family. Especially her brothers, if they had been released from Mandos by that time. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

04-30-2003, 12:35 AM	#7
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	Oh, SGH, I'm glad you brought that up - Gwaimir had asked about the releasing from Mandos' halls depending on how good/bad you had been, and I was going to ask people if they remembered where the reference was - I think it's in Morgoth's Ring, but can't find it right off the bat...do you recall where it is? __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

04-30-2003, 12:55 AM	#8
*RÃan* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	IMs SGH, SGH says look in Laws and Customs in HoME 10, RÃan looks there and finds it!* Horray SGH! It's in a little sub-section called "of re-birth and other dooms of those that go to Mandos". Thanks! __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ã‘Ã¡ Ã«?* Ã³Ãº Ã©Ã¤ Ã¯Ã¶Ã¼ Ã–Ã± Ã‰ Ãž Ã° ÃŸ Â® Ã§ Ã¥ â„¢ Ã¦ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lÃ³mÃ«! AurÃ« entuluva!

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