04-27-2003, 01:06 AM | #1 | |
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I had planned to type up some stuff on Lisman to put up here, but as it ends up I'll just start with the pantheon. Then, it turns out I'll just start with the good pantheon. Took me several days to finish this, so for the baddies, I'll probably just copy and paste what I already have. Anywho: Quote:
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04-27-2003, 01:10 AM | #2 | |
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04-27-2003, 06:43 PM | #3 |
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Mermph, my documents on the evil Gods are quite inconclusive, so I'll just throw something together quickly.
Vilkroth is the Black God, the First Child of Eltarn. He rebelled against Eltarn, seeking to destroy and dominate His Creation, and was cast from the Heavens. As the servants of Good were twelve in number, Eltarn decreed that the Lords of Darkness should be of the same number, and allowed Vilkroth to create elven others. He is worshipped by various peoples throughout history and space, but most noticeably by the Duorgothi, a group of Humans who have worshipped Him for a great part of the history of Lisman, and by the Cthalgar, an ancient barbarian tribe of olden days that rose to such power that they ruled over the entire North-lands; the amount of time that their rule lasted is said to be from five hundred to three thousand years. The only God who is the Son of any in a sense that we know, Vuu'ora was born from a vile union between Vilkroth and the first Queen of the Vampires. He was intended to be a figurehead to keep the powerful and arrogant Vampires in line, but proved to be stronger than was expected, and wrested His will from that of Vilkroth, proclaiming himself the God of the Vampires. None know whether he resides somewhere in the vast stretches of Lisman or in an immortal realm. Next, we come to Zharha, the greatest of the evil Powers next to Vilkroth. She is the Goddess of Spiders, Poison, and Betrayal. In form, she is like a worshipful and terrible Dark-Elf Queen from the waist up, and from the waist down like a terrible. black spider, splotched and striped with red. She is worshipped by the Dark-Elves, along with her spouse, Thuuiach. (note: the "ch" is pronounced "kh". I've been entertaining various different spellings for this, such as Thuu'iakh, Thuu-iakh, Thúiakh, Thúu'iakh. Any feedback or comments on spellings would be deeply appreciated. ) He is the God of Pain, Sadism, and Suffering. He is often seen as a tall Dark-Elf grinning viciously, his hands soaked in warm, red blood. Note: Both Yethat and Thuuiach are called God of Suffering. However, the difference lies in that Yethar is the God of receiving and getting through difficult times or suffering, whereas Thuuiach is the God of deliberately and cruelly inflicting suffering upon others. Next, we come to Seenai, and Sanroc, the Serpent-Goddess of Deceipt and the Dragon-God of Desolation, respectively. They are worshipped by the Goblins. Goblin priests will almost always chooose to worship one or the other of them, but may choose to attempt to appease both with a delicate balance, though of course this is quite dangerous. The barbarians serve four Gods: Urgond, the God of Chaos and Havoc, which they delight in spreading; He is the chief of their Gods. His brother is Zakrazak, the God of Warfare, which they delight in making. Urgond has two twin daughters, Khulga the Goddess of Life and Tograku the Goddess of Death. Needless to say, they are rather estranged; Khulga claims that all life belongs to Her, while Tograku claims that all of it is Hers (though naturally there are differences in what they do with life...) This naturally results in conflict and rivalry between the two. Ungamat and Tuhrethet are Gods without a people, worshipped as the exception rather than the rule. Ungamat is the King of Hatred and Master of Enmity. Tuhrethet was the God of Undeath, but I recently determined Necromancy (in Lisman, at least) to be Demonic in nature, so Undeath falls under the dominion of Vilkroth. I don't know yet what Tuhrethet should be God of, now. If anyone has good suggestions for an evil God, I'd be quite open to them. And there you have it, my spur of the moment Evil Gods.
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Ahh! Finally found a thread that you were probably talking about Gwai! I will read this when I'm offline.. it's too long for now. I have skimmed thru it tho, seems very good. Very long, too ( Do we have a future Tolkien here?)
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05-02-2003, 09:34 AM | #5 |
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Sacrilege!
Yep, you found one of them. I highly doubt I'll ever turn out enough to fill twelve Histories of Lisman volumes, but thanks anyway.
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05-02-2003, 09:39 AM | #6 |
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Sacrilege? No... Just..ummm... So I may print it out later.....yeah...
Of course it will! 12 volumes ain't enough! Why not 13? Or more! Lisman! Where are the rest of them? |
05-02-2003, 09:44 AM | #7 |
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You certainly may. Just don't say that there will be another Tolkien...
I highly doubt it, but thanks anyway. In a very, very, far away, dark library, surrounded by monsters and foul enchantments...
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Under 'The Apostasy' thread. I don't really do short stories, so it's just a part of a story.
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Ahhh. I think I looked there, but got daunted by not knowing anything. (What's new?) Ok, heading over there now, then to the dark, far away library....
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05-04-2003, 12:29 AM | #11 |
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So, any suggestions from anyone re: the use of Puritans and Phoenicians, and the spelling of the Dark-Elven God's name? I am especially hoping for input from IronParrot, as he certainly seems to have well-defined opinions on such matters. Though, of course, input from any/everyone is GREATLY appreciated.
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What kind of a character does this evil god have? Is he just pure evil, like Satan, or does he have a personality? Like prefering to torture or not to, or prefering to kill or not to, one form of evilness (or better yet, nonevil characteristics) over another? Those details could help someone trying to invent a name.
Also, are the names you create capable of being ramshackle collections of letters so long as they sound correct, or would you rather have purpose in them? If you'd like them to have purpose, looking in mythology books might be helpful. In Robert Jordan's The Wheel of Time, his name Shaitan (The Dark One) means Satan in Arabic. |
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The relevant passage from above (the third post, wherein one may find the information I posted about all of the evil deities, the first two being devoted to the good deities):
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Many of the names do have meanings in my own, rudimentary languages, principally the Elder Tongue (the Language of the Church of Eltarn, unaltered from the first time it was spoken, from which all other languages are deriven) and Elvish, though some in other languages, such as Dark-Elven and Dwarven.
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Pick whichever of them sounds best to you. You wanted to draw out the "u" sound in the pronunciation, so I'd discount the Thúiakh and Thúu'iakh spellings. The first one the reader might not pronounce the "u" as drawn out, and the second might confuse the reader. A "ú" right before a "u" will probably confuse some as to pronunciation.
Either of the other two would work, as far as I'm concerned. Thuuiach would work too, except for potential confusion among some of the "ch". The Thuu'iakh and Thuu-iakh seem like they get across the right pronunciation. Thuu'iakh looks better to me than Thuu-iakh because I like the apostrophe better than the slash, but that could be just me. |
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Judging from IronParrot's reaction to the wicked things, I'd say it's opinion. I must say, I wonder why the apostrophe is so different from the - in Gil-Galad?
Anywho, as I think it's my best (or only ) hope to get a response, I'll copy and paste another section: Quote:
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Puritans - that's fair game, but stop for a moment and ask yourself if they are in any way reminiscent of the Cromwellian Puritans. (If "Crusaders" and "Exorcists" are among the synonyms, then I'd say you're on a similar track.) If they're not, make sure you define them in such a way that they are a distinctive group, or don't use the term. But it seems like they are, so by all means, go ahead with it. It's a good earthly name. On the other hand, the proposed alternative - "Purifists" - isn't bad either if you want to sever connections to "the real world". Phoenicians - I see the derivation from "Phoenix", and that makes sense. Again, don't confuse them with the ancient Phoenicians. It's a good name, just make sure the reader isn't confused. Oh, and don't use the Order of the Phoenix, because J.K. Rowling nabbed it first In this particular case, I have a preference for "Phoenists", but go with what sounds right to you. What I'm saying is, if you're going to use names that are immediately recognizable to anyone familiar with world history, make sure you take that connection into consideration, and decide from there. For example, in a fantasy story, I'd be careful with using terms like "Baptist", "Aryan" or "Hittite". For example, Tolkien's "Elves" had very little to do with the diminuitive elves of fairy tales, yet he made them so distinctive and rounded as a race that it worked out fine, and he in fact created (or reintroduced) a whole other archetype of what we see as an Elf.
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Actually, Crusader isn't a synonym, quite. The Crusaders are more martial, though they use an unusual weapon, by the code of their Order. The Puritans/Exorcists (Puritans being the "politically correct" term ) basically just use rites and chants to banish unholy Abominations from the Mortal Realm, whereas the Crusaders will sometimes do that, but would crack unholy skull.
Damn her! Order of Flaming Rebirth, perhaps? If I use the Puritans or Phoenicians in stories (Actually, I'm quite certain there will be one Puritan in one story) then they should be pretty well set apart from the others. Baptist I can see (reminds me of a game, where the priests of a certain order are called Confessors), or Aryan pretty easily, though Hittite might be a little harder to make a connection... Yeah, I was gonna say that they weren't in any way related to those Elves, but rather the alfar (is that it? I don't remember) of Nordic mythology. Though of couse they're quite different.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for another evil God? I haven't gotten any of those yet, and would greatly appreciate it. And, of course, input on anything else.
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You want MORE evil gods? You got already more than I could imagine. Lisman seems like a very, very scary place.
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Excluding Eltarn, there are twelve good Gods, and twelve evil Gods. All in all, there's more good Gods, so don't worry. I just need to think up a function for one of the evil Gods, as his previous domain migrated to the Big Bad God.
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