What is up w/ Gandalf and Legolas!?

TopazJedi · 03-26-2003, 12:29 PM

Hey, i was just watching TTT for the umpteenth time when i noticed something freaky. as Legolas and Gandalf walk into Meduseld, they have thier arms linked!! Like what is up with that?

eek!

Dunadan · 03-26-2003, 01:51 PM

Shhh!

(we know about Sir Ian, but I think there might be some fangirl suicides if Orlando comes out..)

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 01:54 PM

Precisely what I was thinking.

TopazJedi · 03-26-2003, 02:20 PM

Fangirl suicides! hahaha! i wasn't suggesting that anything was going on between the actors though. i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 02:38 PM

We know, we're just kidding.

olsonm · 03-26-2003, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TopazJedi
i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene.

Gandalf is just pretending to need help walking.

Dunadan · 03-26-2003, 03:07 PM

* smutty remark about leaning on his staff deleted *

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 03:09 PM

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 03:11 PM

Ah, Gandalf is just too clever for everyone.

In the book both Gandalf and Legolas seem asexual, though. Stupid movie!

There is slash fanfiction about the actors, you know...

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 03:13 PM

About those two specifically, or actors overall?

Yes, someone told me about RPS.

Ninquelote · 03-26-2003, 03:15 PM

Do you mean my fanfiction comment? Actors overall.

Eigansgnsagszfsdingzd;ingf!!!! Gross. Why can't people mind their own business?

Elf Girl · 03-26-2003, 04:00 PM

I think Legolas was more glad than Gimli and Aragorn that Mithrandir came back, because he knew Olorin's true nature, and what it would mean for Gandalf to die.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 04:05 PM

Actually, I believe very few knew his true nature. I think it was pretty well limited to the Wise, one of whom a Wood-elf wannabe is certainly not.

Artanis · 03-26-2003, 04:25 PM

Aragorn guessed Gandalf's true nature, after he had become Gandalf the White.

Legolas might have known who Gandalf really was also. He was a after all a Sinda.

TopazJedi · 03-26-2003, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Gandalf is just pretending to need help walking.

Well, that makes sense, that Gandalf was trying to seem old and decrepit to deceive people. But i already thought of that, and it doesn't work because as Gandalf and Legolas walk up to that big round thing in the floor (what was that?) they separate and go around it on either side, Gandalf going to the right and legolas to the left and they never link up again. and when they had thier arms linked, Gandalf wasn't leaning on his staff, even though it would have been a perfect opportunity the show his dependance on the staff.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-26-2003, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Artanis
Aragorn guessed Gandalf's true nature, after he had become Gandalf the White.

Legolas might have known who Gandalf really was also. He was a after all a Sinda.

A Sinda who adopted the culture of the Wood-elves.

Artanis · 03-26-2003, 06:19 PM

It is true that Thranduil and his people took up the culture of the Silvan Elves, but they did not altogether forget their Sindarin lore. Legolas knew what the Balrog was. In Moria he saw that Gandalf was able to fight it, he saw that they were equal in power. If he hadn't known the nature of Gandalf before, it's more than likely he guessed then.

Dunadan · 03-27-2003, 12:57 PM

In the LOTR books, the Ainur are barely mentioned. When they are, they're referred to as "Powers". So I'm not sure that the Sindar would know what they were (having forsaken the journey to Aman early doors). They are still Moriquendi, after all, and certainly wouldn't have read the Silmarillion! Most of the Noldor had departed long before Legolas was born.

I think it's misleading to read too much of the simple Maiar/Valar typology into the context of LOTR. One of the whole things about them is that their respective powers are tied to their essential natures. The LOTR characters who encountered them would see their unique nature, not their "class" or "type".

So, someone like Gandalf would be seen as someone who has unique powers, not as someone who's "equal to, or of the same kind as a balrog, or Sauron for that matter.

cheers

d.

will_you_remember_me · 03-27-2003, 03:33 PM

Uggh you guys. They are in character. Though in the book nothing really goes on between Gandalf and Legolas...I don't think. Lemme refresh my memory and get back to ya'll on that. If there were any pairings to be made then it would Aragorn and Gandalf, though I don't really think LoTR is slash.

Artanis · 03-27-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dunadan
In the LOTR books, the Ainur are barely mentioned. When they are, they're referred to as "Powers". So I'm not sure that the Sindar would know what they were (having forsaken the journey to Aman early doors). They are still Moriquendi, after all, and certainly wouldn't have read the Silmarillion! Most of the Noldor had departed long before Legolas was born.

Wasn't Oropher one of Thingol's people? I would think he knew about the Ainur, and passed his knowledge on to his son and grandson.

Quote:

I think it's misleading to read too much of the simple Maiar/Valar typology into the context of LOTR. One of the whole things about them is that their respective powers are tied to their essential natures. The LOTR characters who encountered them would see their unique nature, not their "class" or "type".

I agree that most of the characters in LoTR would not recognise Gandalf's 'class', if they didn't already know. Yet I think Aragorn did. And I don't see why Legolas should not have recognised it, presuming he had the knowledge mentioned above.

And this discussion is off topic, and should have been in the books forum ...

03-26-2003, 12:29 PM	#1
TopazJedi Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Imladris Posts: 105	What is up w/ Gandalf and Legolas!? Hey, i was just watching TTT for the umpteenth time when i noticed something freaky. as Legolas and Gandalf walk into Meduseld, they have thier arms linked!! Like what is up with that? eek! __________________ Your cursor is magically drawn to my smiley

03-26-2003, 01:54 PM	#3
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Precisely what I was thinking. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 02:20 PM	#4
TopazJedi Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Imladris Posts: 105	Fangirl suicides! hahaha! i wasn't suggesting that anything was going on between the actors though. i just wanted other peoples thoughts on what they think was going on in that scene. __________________ Your cursor is magically drawn to my smiley

03-26-2003, 02:38 PM	#5
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	We know, we're just kidding. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 03:09 PM	#8
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	__________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 01:51 PM	#2
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Shhh! (we know about Sir Ian, but I think there might be some fangirl suicides if Orlando comes out..)

03-26-2003, 03:07 PM	#7
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	* smutty remark about leaning on his staff deleted *

03-26-2003, 03:11 PM	#9
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Ah, Gandalf is just too clever for everyone. In the book both Gandalf and Legolas seem asexual, though. Stupid movie! There is slash fanfiction about the actors, you know... __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-26-2003, 03:13 PM	#10
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	About those two specifically, or actors overall? Yes, someone told me about RPS. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 03:15 PM	#11
Ninquelote Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Here. For the time being. Posts: 336	Do you mean my fanfiction comment? Actors overall. Eigansgnsagszfsdingzd;ingf!!!! Gross. Why can't people mind their own business? __________________ XIAN- for hating Wiccans. MURDERER- for hating vegetarians. PREP- for hating Goths. These are a few of my favourite things, the hypocritical stylings of the most "liberal" groups.

03-26-2003, 04:00 PM	#12
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I think Legolas was more glad than Gimli and Aragorn that Mithrandir came back, because he knew Olorin's true nature, and what it would mean for Gandalf to die. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-26-2003, 04:05 PM	#13
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Actually, I believe very few knew his true nature. I think it was pretty well limited to the Wise, one of whom a Wood-elf wannabe is certainly not. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-26-2003, 04:25 PM	#14
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Aragorn guessed Gandalf's true nature, after he had become Gandalf the White. Legolas might have known who Gandalf really was also. He was a after all a Sinda. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die. Last edited by Artanis : 03-26-2003 at 04:31 PM.

03-26-2003, 06:19 PM	#17
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	It is true that Thranduil and his people took up the culture of the Silvan Elves, but they did not altogether forget their Sindarin lore. Legolas knew what the Balrog was. In Moria he saw that Gandalf was able to fight it, he saw that they were equal in power. If he hadn't known the nature of Gandalf before, it's more than likely he guessed then. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

03-27-2003, 12:57 PM	#18
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	In the LOTR books, the Ainur are barely mentioned. When they are, they're referred to as "Powers". So I'm not sure that the Sindar would know what they were (having forsaken the journey to Aman early doors). They are still Moriquendi, after all, and certainly wouldn't have read the Silmarillion! Most of the Noldor had departed long before Legolas was born. I think it's misleading to read too much of the simple Maiar/Valar typology into the context of LOTR. One of the whole things about them is that their respective powers are tied to their essential natures. The LOTR characters who encountered them would see their unique nature, not their "class" or "type". So, someone like Gandalf would be seen as someone who has unique powers, not as someone who's "equal to, or of the same kind as a balrog, or Sauron for that matter. cheers d.

03-27-2003, 03:33 PM	#19
will_you_remember_me Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Shire Posts: 19	Uggh you guys. They are in character. Though in the book nothing really goes on between Gandalf and Legolas...I don't think. Lemme refresh my memory and get back to ya'll on that. If there were any pairings to be made then it would Aragorn and Gandalf, though I don't really think LoTR is slash. __________________ livejournal: http://pimtook.diaryland.com website: http://pimpernel.conforums2.com

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