Atlantis

gimli-son-of-gloin13 · 03-25-2003, 06:37 PM

Do you believe that it existed? I'm not sure , but I think something like that did exist (I never believe what other people believe about things, so I hae to make up my own) I believe there was a civilization that was destroyed, and that they had great technology, and well I don't know much about it, so can you fill me in?

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-25-2003, 06:44 PM

Many ancient civilizations were surprisingly well-developed. For instance, I think ancient Sumerian cities had running water in some of the better homes.

***HOBBIT*** · 03-25-2003, 07:06 PM

Well,the history channel and others like it always have things like this

I think they reported it it in like 4 diff places possibly.

My favorite theory is that Atlantis was an empire in the americas. There are a lot though.

Funny how the history channel has specials about Atlantis, how the pyramids were built by aliens, abductions, other strange things, etc. Fun to watch, but I can't believe they show that stuff

. I of course believe it all

Probably Plato (the guy who wrote about it?... unless that was that other greek guy) just made up Atlantis to make a social commentary.

Lizra · 03-25-2003, 07:33 PM

I wrote my first paper on Atlantis when I was a freshman in high school. I listened to that Donovan song over and over , copying his spoken prologue verbatum as my opening! (whoo! heavy man!

) I believed it, and still do to some extent. "Something" got submurged! It just makes me sick that the library in Alexandria burned, the one with all the ancient manuscripts! The connections between the Incas, Mayas and Egyptian type civilizations are many....another great mystery!

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 03-25-2003, 07:36 PM

yea, i think it was there. I believe it was

and im goig to atlantis in april vacation!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-25-2003, 07:47 PM

You mean Atlanta?

gimli-son-of-gloin13 · 03-25-2003, 07:51 PM

i actually almost typed that!

Dúnedain · 03-25-2003, 08:39 PM

Yes I do think it existed. I actually studied a lot about it as well. Some of the most recognized places as to where it could have been are, Bimini (near the Carribean), Thera (the modern island of Santorini, Greece), Malta...

A lot of work has been based around the writings of Plato, as he described it in great depth. Also, there are currently two huge excavations going on in regards to the possibilities of it being Atlantis, one on Malta and one on the island of Thera. From everything I've seen and read it leads me to believe that the island of Thera is the best possibility. They have reconstructed the look of atlantis from various ancient writings and descriptions about it, and Thera fits perfectly. Also, on Thera way back in the day there was a huge Volcanic eruption that caused half of the island to sink and be buried. Now they are finding a huge civilization within the ring that is under water and on up the shoreline that is now buried.

The excavations are still currently going on and the Greek government has even outlawed scuba diving in that area for fear of vandals or thiefs. Pretty interesting stuff

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-25-2003, 08:46 PM

No! Atlantis is in the West of North-western Europe!

Sminty_Smeagol · 03-25-2003, 08:52 PM

I think atlantis existed, but I don't believe it had anything to do with aliens, and I don't think they had technology secrets that are ahead of our current time. It just seems impossible to me that they could keep all of their technology to themselves like that, and that they could be so incredibly advanced compared to the rest of the world. what, did they develope technology 500 billion times faster than everyone else?

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 03-25-2003, 08:52 PM

atlantis is a resort in the bahamas

Dúnedain · 03-25-2003, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
I think atlantis existed, but I don't believe it had anything to do with aliens, and I don't think they had technology secrets that are ahead of our current time. It just seems impossible to me that they could keep all of their technology to themselves like that, and that they could be so incredibly advanced compared to the rest of the world. what, did they develope technology 500 billion times faster than everyone else?

Where did you ever get this idea from? I've never heard anything like that about Atlantis....

Coney · 03-25-2003, 11:10 PM

Plato's Atlantis......Sir Thomas Moore's Utopia...Works of pure fiction (or were they?)

Strangly even the ancient Irish Celtic people have a legend of a country called Nu Breasil, in the west it was a land populated by "a race of men far superior in both intellect and invention *shrugs*.

Anyhow...there is a good essay on Atlantis here-

Help!....my home is sinking!!

Sminty_Smeagol · 03-25-2003, 11:16 PM

Well some of the theories I've heard regarding Atlantis is that is that their technologies surpassed modern technology and that they learned it from aliens or something... it was on the discovery civilization channel methinks

Dúnedain · 03-25-2003, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
Well some of the theories I've heard regarding Atlantis is that is that their technologies surpassed modern technology and that they learned it from aliens or something... it was on the discovery civilization channel methinks

lol, wow that's a new one, hehe. Never heard that before

Laurus Nobilis · 03-30-2003, 12:07 PM

I think it's very possible that Atlantis existed.

There are loads of ancient cities that ended up under the sea due to earthquakes and other catastrophes. And look at all the civilizations that used to be great in ancient times and now have disappeared! I think there's nothing strange with the idea that, a long time ago, there was a civilization far more advanced than its contemporaries (though not necessarily to the point some people think

) which disappeared in a natural catastrophe.

Besides, all mythology has a basis in reality. A couple of centuries ago everyone thought Troy was an imaginary place- but Heinrich Schliemann found it, didn't he?

Melko Belcha · 03-30-2003, 06:35 PM

I think the story of Atlantis is based on a true historical event, but enlarged over the retelling of the story. If the story really came from Egypt and Plato was just the first to write it down, then there is no telling how much of the human imagination was added to each retelling. It could have been a small off-shore island destroyed in a earthquake or any natural disaster, and after many retellings of the story it grew to a huge, advanced civilisation.

Elvengirl · 03-31-2003, 09:15 AM

I was just thinking of creating a thread like this
Anyways

I agreee with Dunedain

I have read several theories and I think this is the only one that is true. The Minoans were the first Greeks to settle on the islands south of Greece. They were a very advanced civilization for their time. The islands they lived on fit Plato's descriptions of Atlantis almost perfectly. Plato says the Atlanteans were at war with Egypt, which the Minoans were. Atlantis is said to be located near the Pillars of Hercules. Though The Strait of Gibraltar has this name, there was a location on one of the isalnds called the Pillars of Hercules as well. And the volcanic eruption on the island describes the cataclysmic event that wiped out the civilization and sank the island.

I had origionally read this awhile ago from a web site that gave soo much data and explanation. I looked for it, but I couldn't find the same one. There are many others, but they don't give as much detail.

Lizra · 03-31-2003, 10:27 AM

I think we'll never know! Trying to piece together human history with whatever few artifacts that are revealed at a given time is unbelievably "speculative" in my book. Of course we have to do it, and we learn alot, but even the story of one person's life can be so incredible, who knows what all the mind boggling, and potential history altering details were. All the organic and soft stuff is gone, all we have are some bones, stone foundations and fragments of pottery and metal. It's wonderful to know what we know, but the "what might have been" seems as vast as the Milky Way to me.....totally tantalizing, and forever unknown! Curses on the fire that burned the great library! One of the worst things to ever happen to human culture!

(Apoligies to anyone professionally "in the know" this is just my "laywoman" perspective

)

Dunadan · 03-31-2003, 10:34 AM

Has no-one read the Illuminatus trilogy? A must-read for all conspiracy theorists. The Atlanteans are alive and well and running the US economy. Why do you think there's a pyramid with an eye on it on a dollar bill??

03-25-2003, 06:37 PM	#1
gimli-son-of-gloin13 Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Over the river and through the woods. Posts: 193	Atlantis Do you believe that it existed? I'm not sure , but I think something like that did exist (I never believe what other people believe about things, so I hae to make up my own) I believe there was a civilization that was destroyed, and that they had great technology, and well I don't know much about it, so can you fill me in? __________________ http://www.4degreez.com/misc/persona...sorder_test.mv Do you have any personality disorders, click here and see! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://public.findlaw.com/states_new.html Find your rights as a student!

03-25-2003, 06:44 PM	#2
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Many ancient civilizations were surprisingly well-developed. For instance, I think ancient Sumerian cities had running water in some of the better homes. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-25-2003, 07:06 PM	#3
*HOBBIT* Saviour of Entmoot Admiral Join Date: Nov 1999 Location: NC/NJ (no longer Same place as bmilder.) Posts: 61,986	Well,the history channel and others like it always have things like this I think they reported it it in like 4 diff places possibly. My favorite theory is that Atlantis was an empire in the americas. There are a lot though. Funny how the history channel has specials about Atlantis, how the pyramids were built by aliens, abductions, other strange things, etc. Fun to watch, but I can't believe they show that stuff . I of course believe it all Probably Plato (the guy who wrote about it?... unless that was that other greek guy) just made up Atlantis to make a social commentary. __________________ President Emeritus (2000-2004) Private message (or email) me if you need any assistance. I am here to help! "I'm up to here with cool, ok? I'm so amazingly cool you could keep a side of meat in me for a month. I am so hip I have difficulty seeing over my pelvis" - Zaphod Beeblebrox Latest Blog Post: Just Quit Facebook? No One Cares!

03-25-2003, 07:33 PM	#4
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I wrote my first paper on Atlantis when I was a freshman in high school. I listened to that Donovan song over and over , copying his spoken prologue verbatum as my opening! (whoo! heavy man! ) I believed it, and still do to some extent. "Something" got submurged! It just makes me sick that the library in Alexandria burned, the one with all the ancient manuscripts! The connections between the Incas, Mayas and Egyptian type civilizations are many....another great mystery! __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats! Last edited by Lizra : 03-25-2003 at 07:40 PM.

03-25-2003, 07:36 PM	#5
Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn The Elven Queen Of All Pyros Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Im like a little bug stuck in the lamp...never going anywhere Posts: 795	yea, i think it was there. I believe it was and im goig to atlantis in april vacation! __________________ Would you judge my future based on what i did in the past? Procrastinators Unite!!!.....tomorrrow.... Kids in backseats cause accidents...accidents in backseats cause kids As long as there are tests..there will be prayers in school

03-25-2003, 07:47 PM	#6
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	You mean Atlanta? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-25-2003, 07:51 PM	#7
gimli-son-of-gloin13 Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Over the river and through the woods. Posts: 193	i actually almost typed that! __________________ http://www.4degreez.com/misc/persona...sorder_test.mv Do you have any personality disorders, click here and see! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://public.findlaw.com/states_new.html Find your rights as a student!

03-25-2003, 08:39 PM	#8
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	Yes I do think it existed. I actually studied a lot about it as well. Some of the most recognized places as to where it could have been are, Bimini (near the Carribean), Thera (the modern island of Santorini, Greece), Malta... A lot of work has been based around the writings of Plato, as he described it in great depth. Also, there are currently two huge excavations going on in regards to the possibilities of it being Atlantis, one on Malta and one on the island of Thera. From everything I've seen and read it leads me to believe that the island of Thera is the best possibility. They have reconstructed the look of atlantis from various ancient writings and descriptions about it, and Thera fits perfectly. Also, on Thera way back in the day there was a huge Volcanic eruption that caused half of the island to sink and be buried. Now they are finding a huge civilization within the ring that is under water and on up the shoreline that is now buried. The excavations are still currently going on and the Greek government has even outlawed scuba diving in that area for fear of vandals or thiefs. Pretty interesting stuff __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

03-25-2003, 08:46 PM	#9
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	No! Atlantis is in the West of North-western Europe! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-25-2003, 08:52 PM	#10
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I think atlantis existed, but I don't believe it had anything to do with aliens, and I don't think they had technology secrets that are ahead of our current time. It just seems impossible to me that they could keep all of their technology to themselves like that, and that they could be so incredibly advanced compared to the rest of the world. what, did they develope technology 500 billion times faster than everyone else? __________________ I love the fishes.

03-25-2003, 08:52 PM	#11
Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn The Elven Queen Of All Pyros Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Im like a little bug stuck in the lamp...never going anywhere Posts: 795	atlantis is a resort in the bahamas __________________ Would you judge my future based on what i did in the past? Procrastinators Unite!!!.....tomorrrow.... Kids in backseats cause accidents...accidents in backseats cause kids As long as there are tests..there will be prayers in school

03-25-2003, 11:10 PM	#13
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	Plato's Atlantis......Sir Thomas Moore's Utopia...Works of pure fiction (or were they?) Strangly even the ancient Irish Celtic people have a legend of a country called Nu Breasil, in the west it was a land populated by "a race of men far superior in both intellect and invention shrugs. Anyhow...there is a good essay on Atlantis here- Help!....my home is sinking!! __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica Last edited by Coney : 03-25-2003 at 11:12 PM.

03-25-2003, 11:16 PM	#14
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	Well some of the theories I've heard regarding Atlantis is that is that their technologies surpassed modern technology and that they learned it from aliens or something... it was on the discovery civilization channel methinks __________________ I love the fishes.

03-30-2003, 12:07 PM	#16
Laurus Nobilis Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 73	I think it's very possible that Atlantis existed. There are loads of ancient cities that ended up under the sea due to earthquakes and other catastrophes. And look at all the civilizations that used to be great in ancient times and now have disappeared! I think there's nothing strange with the idea that, a long time ago, there was a civilization far more advanced than its contemporaries (though not necessarily to the point some people think ) which disappeared in a natural catastrophe. Besides, all mythology has a basis in reality. A couple of centuries ago everyone thought Troy was an imaginary place- but Heinrich Schliemann found it, didn't he? __________________ "...So the essential Quest started at once. But I met a lot of things on the way that astonished me. Tom Bombadil I knew already; but I had never been to Bree. Strider sitting in the corner at the inn was a shock, and I had no more idea who he was than had Frodo. The Mines of Moria had been a mere name; and of Lothlórien no word had reached my mortal ears till I came there. Far away I knew there were the Horse-lords on the confines of an ancient Kingdom of Men, but Fangorn Forest was an unforeseen adventure." ~ J. R. R. Tolkien

03-30-2003, 06:35 PM	#17
Melko Belcha Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Behind the Walls of Night Posts: 286	I think the story of Atlantis is based on a true historical event, but enlarged over the retelling of the story. If the story really came from Egypt and Plato was just the first to write it down, then there is no telling how much of the human imagination was added to each retelling. It could have been a small off-shore island destroyed in a earthquake or any natural disaster, and after many retellings of the story it grew to a huge, advanced civilisation. __________________ "....rapturous words from which ultimatley sprang the whole of my mythology" - JRR Tolkien Hail Earendel brightest of angels, over middle-earth sent unto men Crist by Cynewulf (lines 104-5)

03-31-2003, 09:15 AM	#18
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	I was just thinking of creating a thread like this Anyways I agreee with Dunedain I have read several theories and I think this is the only one that is true. The Minoans were the first Greeks to settle on the islands south of Greece. They were a very advanced civilization for their time. The islands they lived on fit Plato's descriptions of Atlantis almost perfectly. Plato says the Atlanteans were at war with Egypt, which the Minoans were. Atlantis is said to be located near the Pillars of Hercules. Though The Strait of Gibraltar has this name, there was a location on one of the isalnds called the Pillars of Hercules as well. And the volcanic eruption on the island describes the cataclysmic event that wiped out the civilization and sank the island. I had origionally read this awhile ago from a web site that gave soo much data and explanation. I looked for it, but I couldn't find the same one. There are many others, but they don't give as much detail. __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

03-31-2003, 10:27 AM	#19
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	I think we'll never know! Trying to piece together human history with whatever few artifacts that are revealed at a given time is unbelievably "speculative" in my book. Of course we have to do it, and we learn alot, but even the story of one person's life can be so incredible, who knows what all the mind boggling, and potential history altering details were. All the organic and soft stuff is gone, all we have are some bones, stone foundations and fragments of pottery and metal. It's wonderful to know what we know, but the "what might have been" seems as vast as the Milky Way to me.....totally tantalizing, and forever unknown! Curses on the fire that burned the great library! One of the worst things to ever happen to human culture! (Apoligies to anyone professionally "in the know" this is just my "laywoman" perspective ) __________________ Happy Atheist Go Democrats!

03-31-2003, 10:34 AM	#20
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Has no-one read the Illuminatus trilogy? A must-read for all conspiracy theorists. The Atlanteans are alive and well and running the US economy. Why do you think there's a pyramid with an eye on it on a dollar bill??

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