Shadowfax at Grey Havens?

Firekitten2006 · 02-03-2003, 06:16 PM

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Then Cirdan led them to the Havens, and there was a white ship lying, and upon the quay beside a great grey horse stood a figure robed in all white awaiting them. As he turned and came towards them Frodo saw that Gandalf now wore openly on his hand the Third Ring, Narya the Great, and the stone upon it was red as fire. Then those who were to go were glad, for they knew that Gandalf also would take ship with them.

It says a grey horse. What happened to Shadowfax???? Its really bugging me now that I noticed it.

Narsil's Master · 02-03-2003, 07:16 PM

i think shadowfax was left behind because gandalf didn't want him to be trapped for eternity on an island

Guardian_of_the_Forest · 02-03-2003, 07:57 PM

well as far as I can remember, shadowfax isn't really Gandalf's horse..right?

WallRocker · 02-03-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Guardian_of_the_Forest
well as far as I can remember, shadowfax isn't really Gandalf's horse..right?

Actually, if my memory serves me right, Theodyn gave Shadofax to Gandalf. Gandalf the White talks about this in book three(TTT).

Firekitten2006 · 02-03-2003, 08:10 PM

yeah, and Gandalf and Shadowfax seemed pretty close....so what happened to him??? lol

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-03-2003, 08:12 PM

If I remember correctly, Shadowfax IS grey. They just made him white in the movie.

Firekitten2006 · 02-03-2003, 08:27 PM

I thought he was a very light color grey/white silverish....lemme see....
Ah-ha! Found it! From FOTR

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'And there is one among them that might have been foaled in the morning of the world. The horses of the Nine cannot vie with him; tireless, swift as the flowing wind. Shadowfax they called him. By day his coat glistens like silver; and by night it is like a shade and he pases unseen.'

That is on page 256 of my book.

So he was a silverish color. Plus Frodo would have seen Shadowfax before, and they would have said that it was Shadowfax right?

Shadowfax · 02-03-2003, 09:09 PM

I think the "grey horse" mentioned at the Grey Havens is Shadowfax, and I think that he wasn't named (Tolkien didn't write, "beside Shadowfax stood a figure....") because the focus at that point isn't on the horse, but on Gandalf.

Evenstar1400 · 02-03-2003, 09:41 PM

i agree with shadowfax

Naugrim · 02-04-2003, 09:34 AM

Look on the bright side. He gets to meet his great-great-great grandaddy Nahar.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 10:43 AM

Yes, I was going to point out about the figure, but Shadowfax beat me to it.

WallRocker · 02-04-2003, 10:51 AM

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Originally posted by Shadowfax
I think the "grey horse" mentioned at the Grey Havens is Shadowfax, and I think that he wasn't named (Tolkien didn't write, "beside Shadowfax stood a figure....") because the focus at that point isn't on the horse, but on Gandalf.

Wouldn't you know? you were there right?

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-04-2003, 11:07 AM

That's what I was thinking.

Dunadan · 02-04-2003, 11:24 AM

I think there's also something Gandalf says to Shadowfax about "let us never be parted until the end" or some such. So I always thought that it was Shadowfax.

cheers

d.

Firekitten2006 · 02-04-2003, 05:41 PM

ok...that makes sense

I didnt even notice it until a couple days ago when I was looking something up.

But here's another question. Were the Nine Horses maeras (sp?) stolen from the Rohirrim? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but dont know now... (If this is off topic I'll just make a new topic for it

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Shadowfax · 02-04-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by WallRocker
Wouldn't you know? you were there right?

Yeeah!

*sniff* and it was a very emotional time for me and Gandalf.

Dunadan · 02-05-2003, 05:44 AM

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Originally posted by Firekitten2006
But here's another question. Were the Nine Horses maeras (sp?) stolen from the Rohirrim? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but dont know now... (If this is off topic I'll just make a new topic for it )

I don't know. They were black, which makes me think not, just normal horses which were corrupted to serve the Ringwraiths. I have in my head that Shadowfax was the last of the mearas, but don't know where that comes from

BeardofPants · 02-05-2003, 07:34 AM

Letter no. 268:

I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of 'real' history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special race being as it were an Elvish equivalent of ordinary horses: his 'blood' came from 'West over Sea'. It would not be unfitting for him to 'go West'. Gandalf was not 'dying', or going by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on 'beyond the circles of the world': he was going home, being plainly one of the 'immortals', an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last seen riding Shadowfax. He must have ridden to the Havens, and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the horse, but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering, he could hardly have been forgotten.

Rána Eressëa · 02-17-2003, 03:48 PM

I should really get the Letters.

gollum9630 · 02-22-2003, 01:39 AM

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Originally posted by Firekitten2006
But here's another question. Were the Nine Horses maeras (sp?) stolen from the Rohirrim? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but dont know now... (If this is off topic I'll just make a new topic for it )

yah, the rohirrim say they refused to give sauron horses, so the next night he stole many of their horses, mainly black ones.

02-03-2003, 07:16 PM	#2
Narsil's Master Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Indian,USA Posts: 109	i think shadowfax was left behind because gandalf didn't want him to be trapped for eternity on an island __________________ naur an edraith amen, naur dan i ngaurhoth! well your on fire now. go team fencing!!!! fingolfin rox elven sox

02-03-2003, 07:57 PM	#3
Guardian_of_the_Forest Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: A Forgotten Forest Posts: 50	well as far as I can remember, shadowfax isn't really Gandalf's horse..right? __________________ ~Jennie ~Lossenhyandowen ~Guardian of the Forest

02-03-2003, 08:10 PM	#5
Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	yeah, and Gandalf and Shadowfax seemed pretty close....so what happened to him??? lol __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

02-03-2003, 08:12 PM	#6
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	If I remember correctly, Shadowfax IS grey. They just made him white in the movie. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-03-2003, 09:09 PM	#8
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	I think the "grey horse" mentioned at the Grey Havens is Shadowfax, and I think that he wasn't named (Tolkien didn't write, "beside Shadowfax stood a figure....") because the focus at that point isn't on the horse, but on Gandalf. __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

02-03-2003, 09:41 PM	#9
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	i agree with shadowfax __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

02-04-2003, 09:34 AM	#10
Naugrim Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philippines Posts: 15	Look on the bright side. He gets to meet his great-great-great grandaddy Nahar.

02-04-2003, 10:43 AM	#11
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Yes, I was going to point out about the figure, but Shadowfax beat me to it. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 11:07 AM	#13
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	That's what I was thinking. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-04-2003, 11:24 AM	#14
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	I think there's also something Gandalf says to Shadowfax about "let us never be parted until the end" or some such. So I always thought that it was Shadowfax. cheers d.

02-04-2003, 05:41 PM	#15
Firekitten2006 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: the US of A! But I wish i was in austraila, never been, just think it would be a fun place to live :) Posts: 372	ok...that makes sense I didnt even notice it until a couple days ago when I was looking something up. But here's another question. Were the Nine Horses maeras (sp?) stolen from the Rohirrim? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, but dont know now... (If this is off topic I'll just make a new topic for it ) __________________ I'm Baaaack!!

02-05-2003, 07:34 AM	#18
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Letter no. 268: I think Shadowfax certainly went with Gandalf [across the Sea], though this is not stated. I feel it is better not to state everything (and indeed it is more realistic, since in chronicles and accounts of 'real' history, many facts that some enquirer would like to know are omitted, and the truth has to be discovered or guessed from such evidence as there is). I should argue so: Shadowfax came of a special race being as it were an Elvish equivalent of ordinary horses: his 'blood' came from 'West over Sea'. It would not be unfitting for him to 'go West'. Gandalf was not 'dying', or going by a special grace to the Western Land, before passing on 'beyond the circles of the world': he was going home, being plainly one of the 'immortals', an angelic emissary of the angelic governors (Valar) of the Earth. He would take or could take what he loved. Gandalf was last seen riding Shadowfax. He must have ridden to the Havens, and it is inconceivable that he would [have] ridden any beast but Shadowfax; so Shadowfax must have been there. A chronicler winding up a long tale, and for the moment moved principally by the sorrow of those left behind (himself among them!) might omit mention of the horse, but had the great horse also shared in the grief of sundering, he could hardly have been forgotten. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

02-17-2003, 03:48 PM	#19
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I should really get the Letters.

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