Flaming, or How to behave decently

Artanis · 01-31-2003, 05:41 AM

I'm starting this thread because I feel a little bewildered. During my time on this board there have been threads where people almost have been virtually fighting. I've read some posts which I would consider as both hostile and rude, but which did not get any comments from the mods. And vice versa, there have been posts that I've considered as humorous and cheeky, but which the mods have declared to be flaming, or at least inappropriate.

So basicly what I'm asking everyone is, where do you draw the line? And to the mods, do you have a common policy on this, or is it more up to your personal opinion?

I want to emphasize that this is not a complaint. I find the people here on this board to be very nice and decent indeed, and I think the mods are doing an excellent job. I just want to clarify things, for my own sake.

Sween · 01-31-2003, 05:53 AM

Well i tend to draw the line at anything which is completally unfounded. I would like to say that all the stuff i put down is at least half true. Dont believe in lieing.

I personally love the argueement threads they are much more fun and one of ther best things about this site is there are some people that have complete opersite points of view from one another and then theres Jerseydevil

Coney · 01-31-2003, 06:42 AM

I'm sometimes surprised that some of my posts havent' got me banned, or at least admonished by the powers-that-be *shrugs*.

I say what I think......and I'm usually only half-serious at the best of times

Where do I draw the line?....I don't, except for the normal "line" that I have anyway, but I do take into consideration post-counts and age when I reply.......I once got into a semi-flame war with someone, I found out later, that happened to be 13 yrs old

Under my old nickname (osszie) I was perhaps the only 'mooter to have a wish of direct physical violence aimed at them.......hehe

I've recieved several pm's in the past from members complaining about things I say in my posts, and I've usually gone back and edited those posts........I can be cheeky, bordering on rude, but 'tis never my intention to really insult someone/thing.

FrodoFriend · 01-31-2003, 06:46 AM

I consider flaming to be when you directly insult a person themselves, and are not just expressing an opinion about a subject (however rudely or cheekily).

Millane · 01-31-2003, 08:59 AM

this may seem a little harsh to people but my opinion is...

cop it and dont have a whinge. if anyone wants to have a go at me go right ahead...

Andúril · 01-31-2003, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Artanis:
I've read some posts which I would consider as both hostile and rude, but which did not get any comments from the mods.

Have you read anything along those lines from me?

Artanis · 01-31-2003, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andúril
Have you read anything along those lines from me?

Well, now that you're asking, I do recall some posts from you some time ago which I thought was on the border between cheeky and rude. That does not imply that I didn't agree of what you said in some of those posts

, only I would have said it differently, or not at all. But it wasn't your posts in particular I had in mind when I started this thread.

Personally, I more or less share Millane's attitude.
If someone insults me, I probably won't notice

Wayfarer · 01-31-2003, 10:51 AM

I do not recall ever seeing what I would consider a flame on entmoot. But then, I was nursed on a board without moderators.

Andúril · 01-31-2003, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Artanis:
Well, now that you're asking, I do recall some posts from you some time ago which I thought was on the border between cheeky and rude.

Really? If it's not any trouble, and if you recall in which threads these posts were contained, would you mind telling me? I seem to be very inquisitive...

Oh, and btw, that little spat with my brother doesn't apply -- SGH did step in.

WallRocker · 01-31-2003, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sween
I personally love the argueement threads they are much more fun and one of ther best things about this site is there are some people that have complete opersite points of view from one another and then theres Jerseydevil

I agree. The argument threads are the one's I read.
* WallRocker starts thinking 'I wish I had been here during the Tater Wars'*

Artanis · 01-31-2003, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Andúril
Really? If it's not any trouble, and if you recall in which threads these posts were contained, would you mind telling me? I seem to be very inquisitive...

I'm not going into details in this thread. I will PM you.

Falagar · 01-31-2003, 11:24 AM

My policy:

1. Falagar shall not insult others.

2. Falagar shall respect others (even if they're stupid, rude, mental-dammaged, osv

)

3. Falagar shall not post spamming posts (this one is an exception

)

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 01-31-2003, 11:35 AM

I think there are several things to think about here. Decisions to close a thread or edit/delete a post are strictly left to the descretion of the moderator. In other words it is what he/she considers inappropriate, or nonsense posting. Somethings are cut and dry. We all know spam when we see it. We all know when something moves off topic, which I think most moderators make allowances for as long as things don't sway beyond the point of getting back to the topic at hand, and we all know what flaming is. The rules are vague in defining flaming, but, I consider that to be : name calling, insults, demeening the character of another member, etc., but at times being rude does not always consist of flaming. I for one try to keep a close eye especially on my two forums, and then I spend time browsing the others and if I see something, I will try to take care of it. That is the job of admins and super mods. Keeping the board as spam and flame free as possible. Of course since this is a MB and not a live chatroom, moderation is not scheduled, but I think you can be sure that there is a mod or admin on the board most of the time. It is important to the staff that the community is a happy and enjoyable place to discuss Tolkien and more.

If at any time, you as a member see something that you believe is inappropriate and has perhaps been overlooked by a mod, then by all means you are to report the post or thread to the mod of that forum, or to a super mod or admin via private message or email.

This is a large community and is growing daily. On a MB this size, things will happen. It is up to you as members to help us keep the community a happy one.

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 02:07 PM

well said SGH! I agree!

but I also think it would be no fun if all arguments were stopped because someone was a little rude... if you mean something to be taken as a sarcastic remark, put a smilie after it!

BeardofPants · 01-31-2003, 03:28 PM

*Makes Note: Smilies after sarcastic comments.* Got it.

Elvedans · 01-31-2003, 05:53 PM

Sometimes i get really heated coz i have a terrible temper, but i usually try to hide it with smillies and such like.

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 05:55 PM

I always put smilies at the end of my posts, just incase I insulted anyone by accident.

Elvedans · 01-31-2003, 05:58 PM

I'm feeling nice: here's a smillie specially for Eowyngirl14

eowyngirl14 · 01-31-2003, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elvedans
I'm feeling nice: here's a smillie specially for Eowyngirl14

Awww... *wipes away tear* How nice! Here is one just for you Elvendas!

***Rían*** · 01-31-2003, 06:38 PM

I always read thru my posts after I hit the "submit reply" button, because I find that as I type, I always have a voice inflection in mind (if that makes sense) that I try to get across by using italics, etc. But when I read how the final post appears on the thread, sometimes I notice that it could be taken wrong, so I often edit my posts to reword them a bit. I also use smilies a lot, although I detest them in real life (way overused!), but I've found they help convey a friendly attitude.

It's hard to convey attitude in a typed post, so I can see how something that appears "humorous and cheeky" to one person might appear as flaming to another, and vice versa. I really appreciate the mods keeping things under control, too.

01-31-2003, 05:41 AM	#1
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Flaming, or How to behave decently I'm starting this thread because I feel a little bewildered. During my time on this board there have been threads where people almost have been virtually fighting. I've read some posts which I would consider as both hostile and rude, but which did not get any comments from the mods. And vice versa, there have been posts that I've considered as humorous and cheeky, but which the mods have declared to be flaming, or at least inappropriate. So basicly what I'm asking everyone is, where do you draw the line? And to the mods, do you have a common policy on this, or is it more up to your personal opinion? I want to emphasize that this is not a complaint. I find the people here on this board to be very nice and decent indeed, and I think the mods are doing an excellent job. I just want to clarify things, for my own sake. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

01-31-2003, 05:53 AM	#2
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Well i tend to draw the line at anything which is completally unfounded. I would like to say that all the stuff i put down is at least half true. Dont believe in lieing. I personally love the argueement threads they are much more fun and one of ther best things about this site is there are some people that have complete opersite points of view from one another and then theres Jerseydevil __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

01-31-2003, 06:42 AM	#3
Coney The Buddy Rabbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Trapped in the headlights.. Posts: 3,372	I'm sometimes surprised that some of my posts havent' got me banned, or at least admonished by the powers-that-be shrugs. I say what I think......and I'm usually only half-serious at the best of times Where do I draw the line?....I don't, except for the normal "line" that I have anyway, but I do take into consideration post-counts and age when I reply.......I once got into a semi-flame war with someone, I found out later, that happened to be 13 yrs old Under my old nickname (osszie) I was perhaps the only 'mooter to have a wish of direct physical violence aimed at them.......hehe I've recieved several pm's in the past from members complaining about things I say in my posts, and I've usually gone back and edited those posts........I can be cheeky, bordering on rude, but 'tis never my intention to really insult someone/thing. __________________ Blessed are the cracked, they let the light in Beatallica

01-31-2003, 06:46 AM	#4
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	I consider flaming to be when you directly insult a person themselves, and are not just expressing an opinion about a subject (however rudely or cheekily). __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

01-31-2003, 08:59 AM	#5
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	this may seem a little harsh to people but my opinion is... cop it and dont have a whinge. if anyone wants to have a go at me go right ahead... __________________ Ill heal your wounds, ill set you free,

01-31-2003, 10:51 AM	#8
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Re: flaming I do not recall ever seeing what I would consider a flame on entmoot. But then, I was nursed on a board without moderators. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-31-2003, 11:24 AM	#12
Falagar Death of Mooters and [Entmoot] Internal Affairs Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 2,870	My policy: 1. Falagar shall not insult others. 2. Falagar shall respect others (even if they're stupid, rude, mental-dammaged, osv ) 3. Falagar shall not post spamming posts (this one is an exception ) __________________ Fëanor - Innocence incarnated Still, Aikanáro 'till the Last battle.

01-31-2003, 11:35 AM	#13
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	I think there are several things to think about here. Decisions to close a thread or edit/delete a post are strictly left to the descretion of the moderator. In other words it is what he/she considers inappropriate, or nonsense posting. Somethings are cut and dry. We all know spam when we see it. We all know when something moves off topic, which I think most moderators make allowances for as long as things don't sway beyond the point of getting back to the topic at hand, and we all know what flaming is. The rules are vague in defining flaming, but, I consider that to be : name calling, insults, demeening the character of another member, etc., but at times being rude does not always consist of flaming. I for one try to keep a close eye especially on my two forums, and then I spend time browsing the others and if I see something, I will try to take care of it. That is the job of admins and super mods. Keeping the board as spam and flame free as possible. Of course since this is a MB and not a live chatroom, moderation is not scheduled, but I think you can be sure that there is a mod or admin on the board most of the time. It is important to the staff that the community is a happy and enjoyable place to discuss Tolkien and more. If at any time, you as a member see something that you believe is inappropriate and has perhaps been overlooked by a mod, then by all means you are to report the post or thread to the mod of that forum, or to a super mod or admin via private message or email. This is a large community and is growing daily. On a MB this size, things will happen. It is up to you as members to help us keep the community a happy one. __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

01-31-2003, 02:07 PM	#14
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	well said SGH! I agree! but I also think it would be no fun if all arguments were stopped because someone was a little rude... if you mean something to be taken as a sarcastic remark, put a smilie after it! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-31-2003, 03:28 PM	#15
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Makes Note: Smilies after sarcastic comments. Got it. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-31-2003, 05:53 PM	#16
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	Sometimes i get really heated coz i have a terrible temper, but i usually try to hide it with smillies and such like. __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

01-31-2003, 05:55 PM	#17
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	I always put smilies at the end of my posts, just incase I insulted anyone by accident. __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-31-2003, 05:58 PM	#18
Elvedans Diamond Of The Night Sky Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Old London Town (Well somewhere near there) Posts: 366	I'm feeling nice: here's a smillie specially for Eowyngirl14 __________________ I see a little silhouetto of a man. Scaramouche scaramouche will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and Lightning, very very frightening me!

01-31-2003, 06:38 PM	#20
*Rían* Half-Elven Princess of Rabbit Trails and Harp-Wielding Administrator (beware the Rubber Chicken of Doom!) Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Not where I want to be ... Posts: 15,254	I always read thru my posts after I hit the "submit reply" button, because I find that as I type, I always have a voice inflection in mind (if that makes sense) that I try to get across by using italics, etc. But when I read how the final post appears on the thread, sometimes I notice that it could be taken wrong, so I often edit my posts to reword them a bit. I also use smilies a lot, although I detest them in real life (way overused!), but I've found they help convey a friendly attitude. It's hard to convey attitude in a typed post, so I can see how something that appears "humorous and cheeky" to one person might appear as flaming to another, and vice versa. I really appreciate the mods keeping things under control, too. __________________ . I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva!