I was watching FotR for the 10th or 12th...

Tar-Palantir · 10-30-2002, 04:45 PM

...time the other day (Monday)(I was home sick) and I noticed something I hadn't caught before.

Call me slow, dimwitted, not too quick on the uptake, or whatever, but there were Gandalf and Saruman flinging each other around the inside of Isengard when all of a sudden Christopher Lee extends his hands in crooked Dracula-like fashion and snatches Gandalf's staff from across the room. Then he's got Gandalf doing this break-dance thing in circles for awhile before flinging him up onto the top of the tower. Next thing you know, Gandalf is jumping off the side of the tower onto the eagle and making his escape. Saruman/Dracula says, "So, you have chosen the way of death," or something like that. But here's what I want to know.

When did Gandalf get his staff back and how?

He didn't have it with him when he leaped off the tower onto the eagle. But he does have it again when they leave Rivendell.

Did anyone else notice that?

olsonm · 10-30-2002, 05:24 PM

Yes. The staffs are different.

Goldberry1 · 10-30-2002, 05:36 PM

I noticed that and I'm also wondering where he's going to get Glamdring, his sword, back because right when the Balrog's rope or whatever grabs Gandalf's leg he drops his staff and sword, then falls off the bridge. So what's going to be the deal with Glamdring??

**crickhollow** · 10-30-2002, 05:59 PM

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I noticed that and I'm also wondering where he's going to get Glamdring, his sword, back because right when the Balrog's rope or whatever grabs Gandalf's leg he drops his staff and sword, then falls off the bridge. So what's going to be the deal with Glamdring??

someone asked ian mckellan the same question here

samwiselvr2008 · 11-01-2002, 09:05 PM

Thanks, I found that very intresting, and added the sight to favorites!

Lanelf · 11-03-2002, 12:28 AM

There have actually been a few conversations about the staff, I think... It's been generally agreed that the pre- and post-Orthanc staves are different.
BTW - I like your comparison with Saruman/Dracula!

Lanelf.

Gorhiriel · 02-05-2003, 05:38 PM

Right Lanelf. You have to look pretty closely, but they are different.

Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn · 02-05-2003, 05:46 PM

they are diffrent, but in TTT gandalf catches up with his sword and the balrog. *Me being critical* but thats impossible cuz thanks to one of newtons law(i think) all objects fall at the same speed, so gandalf wouldnt've been able to catch up

Gorhiriel · 02-05-2003, 05:49 PM

AND there is NO WAY IN HELL Gandalf would have been able to catch up with the Balrog!!

Evenstar1400 · 02-05-2003, 06:09 PM

but of course.... this is earth.... where gandalf is is middle earth. so its possible the laws of physics arent the same there as they are here.

or pj is just an idiot and knows nothing about science.

Gorhiriel · 02-05-2003, 06:11 PM

Well... it wouldn't have been as dramatic if the laws of physics had been obeyed. Hell, some of the best movies disregard physics.

Dunadan · 02-05-2003, 06:16 PM

Maybe the balrog's wings slowed him down

Gorhiriel · 02-05-2003, 06:18 PM

EEP! Don't mention wings or people will use this to debate about wheather they HAVE wings or not!!!

Varda Oiolosseo · 02-06-2003, 11:03 AM

o.............k

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10-30-2002, 04:45 PM	#1
Tar-Palantir Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 31	I was watching FotR for the 10th or 12th... ...time the other day (Monday)(I was home sick) and I noticed something I hadn't caught before. Call me slow, dimwitted, not too quick on the uptake, or whatever, but there were Gandalf and Saruman flinging each other around the inside of Isengard when all of a sudden Christopher Lee extends his hands in crooked Dracula-like fashion and snatches Gandalf's staff from across the room. Then he's got Gandalf doing this break-dance thing in circles for awhile before flinging him up onto the top of the tower. Next thing you know, Gandalf is jumping off the side of the tower onto the eagle and making his escape. Saruman/Dracula says, "So, you have chosen the way of death," or something like that. But here's what I want to know. When did Gandalf get his staff back and how? He didn't have it with him when he leaped off the tower onto the eagle. But he does have it again when they leave Rivendell. Did anyone else notice that?

10-30-2002, 05:24 PM	#2
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Yes. The staffs are different. __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

10-30-2002, 05:36 PM	#3
Goldberry1 Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: DC or Delaware, depending on the time of year Posts: 244	I noticed that and I'm also wondering where he's going to get Glamdring, his sword, back because right when the Balrog's rope or whatever grabs Gandalf's leg he drops his staff and sword, then falls off the bridge. So what's going to be the deal with Glamdring?? __________________ Oh, your collegiate grief has left you dowdy in sweatshirts, absolute horror!

11-01-2002, 09:05 PM	#5
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11-03-2002, 12:28 AM	#6
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	There have actually been a few conversations about the staff, I think... It's been generally agreed that the pre- and post-Orthanc staves are different. BTW - I like your comparison with Saruman/Dracula! Lanelf. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

02-05-2003, 05:38 PM	#7
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	Right Lanelf. You have to look pretty closely, but they are different. __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

02-05-2003, 05:46 PM	#8
Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn The Elven Queen Of All Pyros Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Im like a little bug stuck in the lamp...never going anywhere Posts: 795	they are diffrent, but in TTT gandalf catches up with his sword and the balrog. Me being critical but thats impossible cuz thanks to one of newtons law(i think) all objects fall at the same speed, so gandalf wouldnt've been able to catch up __________________ Would you judge my future based on what i did in the past? Procrastinators Unite!!!.....tomorrrow.... Kids in backseats cause accidents...accidents in backseats cause kids As long as there are tests..there will be prayers in school

02-05-2003, 05:49 PM	#9
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	YEP! AND there is NO WAY IN HELL Gandalf would have been able to catch up with the Balrog!! __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

02-05-2003, 06:09 PM	#10
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	but of course.... this is earth.... where gandalf is is middle earth. so its possible the laws of physics arent the same there as they are here. or pj is just an idiot and knows nothing about science. __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

02-05-2003, 06:11 PM	#11
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	Well... it wouldn't have been as dramatic if the laws of physics had been obeyed. Hell, some of the best movies disregard physics. __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

02-05-2003, 06:16 PM	#12
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Maybe the balrog's wings slowed him down

02-05-2003, 06:18 PM	#13
Gorhiriel Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mirkwood Posts: 112	EEP! Don't mention wings or people will use this to debate about wheather they HAVE wings or not!!! __________________ Do not mess with me, or I will call my dragons and Destroy You All!!! BOROMIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "And anon shall I Sail into the West: with the setting sun I shall remove my light from this world..."

02-06-2003, 11:03 AM	#14
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