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The Trojan War
I recently wrote a paper on the Trojan War and am generally fascinated by this subject. I also have just about finished the Iliad. Does anyone else have in interest in ancient history, Troy and Mycenaen Greek?
![]() If you are interested in Troy there is this GREAT book called "In Search Of The Trojan War" by Michael Wood. It had a lot information, pictures and time charts.
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My school's mascot is a Trojan.
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Re: The Trojan War
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Who's translation are you reading? I've heard bits of Alexander Pope's. It's a great translation but I cant find a copy of it. I've also started studying Koine Greek. It's actually not too hard and it's really interesting.
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I'm reading the Odyssey right now! Well...not this minute...but you hobbits know what I mean!
![]() There is actually a new movie being made about the Trojan War and Bradd Pitt will be Achilles with Eric Bana as Hector. Should be interesting! For those of you who don't know the outside of Homer History here is what I have gleaned: 1. Troy is a REAL place. It is a ruined city on the mound of Hisarlik in the region Canakkale, Turkey. 2. There were actually 9 cities of Troy! Nine archaeological levels were found. The earliest settlement was about 3000 BC (Troy I) and the last city was the Roman city of Troy. Homer's citadel is believed to be Troy VI (aprox. 1200 BC). This date corresponds to the traditional date of the Trojan War. 3. Charles Mclaren a 19th century Scottish Professor made the first assumptions and guesses that Troy was on the Mound of Hisarlik. At that time and before there were many places that were mistaken for Homer's city but really were not it. Mclaren's theory was explored and used to find the city by Frank Calvert a englishman living in Turkey. Many give credit to Heinrich Schlieman for discovering Troy or "Ilium" but he owed much in fact probably all to Calvert, who was the first to do a minor excavation. phew...that is enough lessons for today my dear hobbits! ![]()
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(I love Gimli's quote in the sig line!)
I read The Odyssey a long time ago and don't remember too much of it now, though the part about his son (Telumechtar - ? spelling) going to look for him was very moving, and even now sometimes when I see a sunrise, Homer's "wine-dark seas" come to mind. The Iliad also came to mind recently when I read a quote from it at the end of Tom Marshall's The Price of Exit: Quote:
Inspired by this thread, I'm going to try to do it right -- read first The Iliad and then The Odyssey |
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It would be better luck to have a Greek mascot.
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Am I right is half-remembering that the Trojan War-era city of Troy DOES indeed show archaelogical evidence of having been violently destroyed?
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Has anyone here read "Troy", the modern retelling by Adele Geras? I haven't tried it, but I've heard it's good, and it's already been optioned for a translation to the silver screen...
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We just finished reading the Odyssey in English. I really liked it. The version in our reading books was really abridged though. Oh well. We are watching the movie now, I like it too.
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Heh... this thread reminds me of the Simpsons.
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Someone asked what Trojans look like. Well Troy is located in Turkey so the Trojans were Turkish.
I'm halfway through the Odyssey and have read the Iliad and from what I've read I think the former was a better "written" work. I think Homer got better as he grew older and the Odyssey was produced out of more experiance and when he had gotten better in his craft. I'm reading the Robert Fagles translation...it's supposed to be a really good one. Someday I'd like to read Pope's since it is so acclaimed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Some news about a movie based on the Iliad! Wolfgang Peterson is to Direct "Troy" about Homer's ill fated city. So far the cast has Brad Pitt as Achilles, Eric Bana as Hector and Orlando Bloom (Legolas) is looking like he might get the part of Paris. This is a landmark I think because this book is rarely adapted to the screen probably because of it's difficult style. But wow! Come 2004 this film should be in theaters! Any thoughts and further casting ideas?
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Yes, like I said earlier, the film of "Troy" is based on the Adele Geras novel that hit the bestseller lists last year. I haven't read it but it's a retelling in modern prose.
As far as Homer's works go, I also have the Fagles translations... never even tried anyone else's.
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I suppose the heroes returning from Troy would have liked that, too. Some things never change.
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