10-22-2002, 02:20 PM | #1 |
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How will Merry slay the Witch-King?
If someone has answered this already, feel free to point me to a thread.
Since the barrow-downs were cut from the first movie and Merry doesn't pick up his elvish blade there, how will it be explained in the third movie that a little ol' hobbit kills the witch-King with an ordinary blade? Surely Peter J. has thought of this. |
10-22-2002, 04:55 PM | #2 |
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Hmm...good point. Maybe he'll let Arwen bring him the elven sword along with Aragorn's blade. If that happens. Or maybe *sob* Merry will be cut. But I really hope not. Maybe he'll find some dead elf's blade on the ground. I seriously do not know.
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10-22-2002, 07:49 PM | #3 |
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merry kills the witch king?????? he gets a elven blade??????? aragorn leaves behind his sword??????? now this thread i definatlly call a spoiler! he he. to tell you the truth i think if that does happen in the book , in the movie they will probilly cut it out! to bad merry my beloved!
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10-22-2002, 08:28 PM | #4 |
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Um, Merry doesn't slay the Witch-King. Not exactly.
Also, the reference to Merry's Westernesse blade dealing such a foul and bitter wound to the Witch-King was mostly a reference to the ancient conflict with Angmar, one that was finally resolved in a symbolic way. Although in the film of Fellowship, Aragorn gives Merry the latter's sword, there's nothing to say so far that this can't still hold. Who says Aragorn didn't give him a Westernesse sword in the film?
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10-23-2002, 12:31 AM | #5 |
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i think that before pellenor fields both Merry and Pippin will be armed by Denethor and Theoden ready for battle...
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10-23-2002, 12:39 AM | #6 |
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Or the blades that Aragorn gave them were elvish blades.
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10-23-2002, 01:56 AM | #7 |
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I think it's a trivial detail, and will likely be ignored. When I say this, I don't mean to be abraisive, but that's simply my opinion. (Shrugs)
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10-23-2002, 04:42 AM | #8 |
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maybe someone one somewhere down the line will make a comment on them.
PS i never though it was that stupid for aragorn to have them it was obvious he was waiting for them and theres nothing wrong with a bit of preperation.
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10-23-2002, 07:40 AM | #9 |
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Eowyn will turn up and impale him on a spike on top of Orthanc whilst doing battle with an imaginary orc and a fiery goat...
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10-23-2002, 09:47 AM | #11 | |
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"Who says Aragorn didn't give him a Westernesse sword in the film?" Who says in the film that he did? That's my point. How does the non-reading movie goer know that there is something special about the blade if the movie doesn't tell him? And if the movie is going to tell him this important piece of information, then how will the story-line be changed? But if the movie doesn't inform us that it is a special blade, then won't a lot of movie-goers have the reaction of, "well, that was too easy?" Maybe I'm just nit-picky today. (grin) |
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10-23-2002, 12:41 PM | #12 |
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I'd say Merry DID kill the Witch-King. Eowyn's blow is merely symbolic - her sword has no power to harm the Witch-king at all, unless it's that the 'magic' contained in Merry's sword makes the Witcch-King 'mortal' in the normal sense of the word, but I doubt it.
Why would the people fighting Angmar create a sword that in and of itself wasn't enough to kill him? Bit stupid really. I wouldn't be suprised if they took this out either - let's see now. Hollywood. We can have: 1) Hobbit stabs Evil guy in ankle and basically kills him. 2) Eowyn kills him in epic sword fight. Can't imagine which way PJ will lean..... Also, there's nothing stating that the daggers (short swords for the hobbits, daggers to anyone else) are not of the same type that SHOULD have been taken from the Barrow-downs. However, since I find the thought that Aragorn was carrying 4 extra blades around a pathetic and contrived coincidence, I am not going to bother stretching my belief that extra mile in that they were magical blades. |
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However, the fact that that weapon does it's job many many years later and in circumstances no-one could have foreseen, is nicely.... umm... symbolic. Bugger! You know what I mean |
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10-23-2002, 02:22 PM | #14 |
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Hmm.
I always thought that Merry's blade broke the spells, so that Eowyn *could* deal the death blow.
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It's not like the movie is going to, in any case, pause in a freeze-frame when Merry takes a slice at the Witch-King and bring in a little voice-over that says, "No other sword could have delivered such a bitter wound, yada yada yada"... It's a detail that can't be described visually, so it probably won't be described at all. Seeing how they weren't at the Barrow-downs, they know nothing of Angmar, the audience knows nothing of Angmar (from the film) and thus, the captain of the Nazgul probably might not even be referred to as the Witch-King of Angmar at all, who knows. Quote:
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10-23-2002, 05:18 PM | #16 |
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Oh well
I always thought Eowyn's blow was the symbolic one, but I don't have my books handy to see if it's my memory playing tricks or whether I should point fingers at you all and giggle inanely |
10-24-2002, 01:23 AM | #17 |
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Well, her deathblow would have been pretty useless if the spells that bound the witchking hadn't been broken. No ordinary blade could have damaged him.
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10-24-2002, 02:59 AM | #18 |
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But i have always thought that Eowyn could kill the Witchking, because she was a woman, because no living man could kill the witchking. And Merry wasn't a man either, plus he had the Angmar sword.
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10-24-2002, 04:18 AM | #19 |
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Yep, both those factors helped. I think the movie will focus on Eowyn's attack because PJ has some kind of fascination with 'strong' female characters (see Arwen).
"It's a detail that can't be described visually, so it probably won't be described at all. Seeing how they weren't at the Barrow-downs, they know nothing of Angmar, the audience knows nothing of Angmar (from the film) and thus, the captain of the Nazgul probably might not even be referred to as the Witch-King of Angmar at all, who knows. " Another reason the film should never have been made.
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