Sauron's number 1?

nazgul prince · 09-03-2002, 03:28 PM

Just who was next in line behide sauron.Was it really the witch king or the mouth of sauron.If the witch king wasn't destroyed at the pelennor fields,would the mouth of sauron still be calling the shots at the black gate?And all the land the mouth was promised by sauron.Would that have been the witch king's if he lived?Any thoughts.

webwizard333 · 09-03-2002, 05:41 PM

The Witch King probably was Sauron's lieutenant, or second-in-command. He had experience from when he ruled the kingdom of Angmar, and was clearly in charge of the military. Though the Mouth probably would have been granted territories as well. The Mouth of Sauron still would probably have been speaking at the gates, however, seeing as the other Nazgul were there, and he still spoke.

thingol · 09-04-2002, 07:08 AM

i think the mouth just was saurons herold end i would guess that the witch king was his second in charge.

Ñólendil · 09-04-2002, 06:47 PM

He was more than a herald, if less than Sauron's number 1 man. The Mouth of Sauron was the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr.

thingol · 09-05-2002, 02:29 AM

thanks for the info nolendil i have always wondered who he was.

UnStashable · 09-05-2002, 11:50 AM

Any ideas to where the Leutanant named as Gothmog would fit in? Or was that what the mouth of sauron was called. Or was that the commander of Minas Morgul, I just confused myslef

Beleg Strongbow · 09-05-2002, 01:14 PM

Gothmog, in addition to being Lord of Balrogs.... Wasn't he commander of Durthang?

UnStashable · 09-05-2002, 03:00 PM

No the Lord of Balrogs died in the 1st age of that much im sure.(waits to be proven wrong for it is inevitable now).

They shared the same name but i think he was mentioned to be a black numenoreon (agh spelling)

Radagast The Brown · 09-05-2002, 03:12 PM

"Gothmog was the Lord of the Balrogs, high captain of Angband, slayer of Fingon, Feanor and Ecthelion. "... the Sil.
Gothmog, however, was the lieutenant of Minas Morgul in the third age.

nazgul prince · 09-05-2002, 03:18 PM

I belive Gothmog was a orc caption of minus morgul.Although a lot of people think he was one of the nazgul.He may have been third in comand behide khmaul.I go with the orc caption.It just fits better.

entss89 · 09-05-2002, 04:43 PM

i agree with ^ you . whatever you said!

Gilrond · 09-05-2002, 11:51 PM

First, of course, the Witchking, formerly Lord of Angmar; then most likely Khamul, the Black Easterling; third would probably be Gothmog, surnamed after the Lord of Balrogs of old.

09-03-2002, 03:28 PM	#1
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	Sauron's number 1? Just who was next in line behide sauron.Was it really the witch king or the mouth of sauron.If the witch king wasn't destroyed at the pelennor fields,would the mouth of sauron still be calling the shots at the black gate?And all the land the mouth was promised by sauron.Would that have been the witch king's if he lived?Any thoughts.

09-03-2002, 05:41 PM	#2
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	The Witch King probably was Sauron's lieutenant, or second-in-command. He had experience from when he ruled the kingdom of Angmar, and was clearly in charge of the military. Though the Mouth probably would have been granted territories as well. The Mouth of Sauron still would probably have been speaking at the gates, however, seeing as the other Nazgul were there, and he still spoke. __________________ Boo!

09-04-2002, 06:47 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	He was more than a herald, if less than Sauron's number 1 man. The Mouth of Sauron was the Lieutenant of Barad-dûr. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

09-05-2002, 11:50 AM	#6
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	Any ideas to where the Leutanant named as Gothmog would fit in? Or was that what the mouth of sauron was called. Or was that the commander of Minas Morgul, I just confused myslef __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

09-05-2002, 01:14 PM	#7
Beleg Strongbow Truest of Friends Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Pennsylvania, but I have a vacation home in the Westfarthing. Posts: 520	Gothmog, in addition to being Lord of Balrogs.... Wasn't he commander of Durthang? __________________ "...Beleg Strongbow, truest of friends, greatest in skill of all that harboured in the woods of Beleriand in the Elder Days..." Aure Entuleva! John Kerry for President!

09-04-2002, 07:08 AM	#3
thingol Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norway,stord Posts: 30	i think the mouth just was saurons herold end i would guess that the witch king was his second in charge.

09-05-2002, 02:29 AM	#5
thingol Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: norway,stord Posts: 30	thanks for the info nolendil i have always wondered who he was.

09-05-2002, 03:00 PM	#8
UnStashable Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 52	No the Lord of Balrogs died in the 1st age of that much im sure.(waits to be proven wrong for it is inevitable now). They shared the same name but i think he was mentioned to be a black numenoreon (agh spelling) __________________ This elevator only goes to the basement, and sombody made an awful mess down there

09-05-2002, 03:12 PM	#9
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	"Gothmog was the Lord of the Balrogs, high captain of Angband, slayer of Fingon, Feanor and Ecthelion. "... the Sil. Gothmog, however, was the lieutenant of Minas Morgul in the third age. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

09-05-2002, 03:18 PM	#10
nazgul prince Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 58	I belive Gothmog was a orc caption of minus morgul.Although a lot of people think he was one of the nazgul.He may have been third in comand behide khmaul.I go with the orc caption.It just fits better.

09-05-2002, 04:43 PM	#11
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	hi i agree with ^ you . whatever you said!

09-05-2002, 11:51 PM	#12
Gilrond Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 52	Next in line... First, of course, the Witchking, formerly Lord of Angmar; then most likely Khamul, the Black Easterling; third would probably be Gothmog, surnamed after the Lord of Balrogs of old.

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