Genes or environment

Artanis · 08-30-2002, 02:47 PM

Genes or environment, which of these do you think has most influence on us and our lives?

afro-elf · 08-31-2002, 02:40 AM

Debates about the relative contributions of nature vs nurture have been among the most contentious in psychology. The premise that underlie these these debates are flawed, yet they are deeply entrenched.

For developmental biologist such a question is not considered.
Every aspect of an organism's phenotype is a joint product of both.

It is gene environment interactionism.

To put your question another way what's more important the engine or the gas? Or, what's more important that determining the area of a rectangle the length or the width?

It is because of nature ( genes) that you can be affected my nurture( environment)

The more nature the more nurture. Genes allow the environment to influence the development of phenotypes.

WiseWizard · 08-31-2002, 03:01 AM

I've heard many answers to that question over the years, and I don't think I've ever heard it put so precisely. Bravo, afro-elf.
I think it's interesting, though, what new research has determined about how certain characteristics are most likely genetic. For example, I heard of a report that shyness is genetic. Don't know how they came to that conclusion, but it's interesting nonetheless.

afro-elf · 08-31-2002, 03:40 AM

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I've heard many answers to that question over the years, and I don't think I've ever heard it put so precisely. Bravo, afro-elf.

It's just notes I had gathered over the years from those who put it in succint terms. I can't take much credit.

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I heard of a report that shyness is genetic

There was something in "Life" magazine that I'm guessing was form around Nov of 98' I think the picture of a baby was on the cover. It was about this topic in general and it had blurp about genetic shyness

Lizra · 08-31-2002, 08:22 AM

Genes. I did not inherit the verbosity gene.

Artanis · 09-01-2002, 01:38 PM

I can go nuts just thinking about this. (Is that btw caused by my genes?) What makes me the person that I am? What determines my personality? It seems to me that genes is the main answer, since my DNA limit my possibilities. If my environment changes, I also would change, but change would be determined by my genes. Scary.

afro-elf · 09-01-2002, 02:39 PM

Yeah, they kind feed on the other. Your environment can affect the hardware too.

BeardofPants · 09-01-2002, 05:45 PM

I would not place one over the other.

08-30-2002, 02:47 PM	#1
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	Genes or environment Genes or environment, which of these do you think has most influence on us and our lives? __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

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afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Debates about the relative contributions of nature vs nurture have been among the most contentious in psychology. The premise that underlie these these debates are flawed, yet they are deeply entrenched. For developmental biologist such a question is not considered. Every aspect of an organism's phenotype is a joint product of both. It is gene environment interactionism. To put your question another way what's more important the engine or the gas? Or, what's more important that determining the area of a rectangle the length or the width? It is because of nature ( genes) that you can be affected my nurture( environment) The more nature the more nurture. Genes allow the environment to influence the development of phenotypes. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

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WiseWizard Elven Warrior Join Date: May 2002 Location: the darkest region of Mirkwood (and trust me, it's really dark) Posts: 331	I've heard many answers to that question over the years, and I don't think I've ever heard it put so precisely. Bravo, afro-elf. I think it's interesting, though, what new research has determined about how certain characteristics are most likely genetic. For example, I heard of a report that shyness is genetic. Don't know how they came to that conclusion, but it's interesting nonetheless. __________________ My motto: Heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid I'll take over. ------------------------------------------------ "Upstage me and I'll crush your kneecaps!" ------------------------------------------------ "It's been a while since I've been 130." -Aaron Reichgott ------------------------------------------------ You know, the world's full of apathy...but I don't care. ------------------------------------------------ "I would've honked, but I might have hit you." -Janaki ------------------------------------------------ "If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have gone to college that year." -Lewis Black ------------------------------------------------ "I have one speed which varies according to my mood." -Kristy Pihl ------------------------------------------------ "When I get a fever, I can hear my mom's voice in my head. But she's alive, not dead, so it's not as exciting." -Anna Crandall ------------------------------------------------ "It doesn't matter what your body type is, as long as you're bloodthirsty." -Rachel Carlson ------------------------------------------------- "My mind is a whirling miasma." -Jeff E. ------------------------------------------------- "I think earth is the Alabama of the universe and we don't even know it." ------------------------------------------------- "You can't just apologize the laziness of my bunnies away." -Taylor S.B. ------------------------------------------------- I'm a sadistic massochist. I'm always happy.

09-01-2002, 01:38 PM	#6
Artanis Greatest Elven woman of Aman Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Having way too much fun with Fëanor's 7 Posts: 4,285	I can go nuts just thinking about this. (Is that btw caused by my genes?) What makes me the person that I am? What determines my personality? It seems to me that genes is the main answer, since my DNA limit my possibilities. If my environment changes, I also would change, but change would be determined by my genes. Scary. __________________ --Life is hard, and then we die.

09-01-2002, 02:39 PM	#7
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	Yeah, they kind feed on the other. Your environment can affect the hardware too. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

08-31-2002, 08:22 AM	#5
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Genes. I did not inherit the verbosity gene.

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BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I would not place one over the other. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

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