Things you can't understand (aka voice of the ring and song lyrics)

Laurelyn · 08-24-2002, 11:29 AM

First of all, you know how when Frodo has the Ring on in Bree and at Weathertop, it's talking to him? Does anybody have the foggiest idea what it's saying?
I know it's yammering "ash nazg durbatuluk" etc. at Rivendell, but the other times it speaks I can't understand it.
Secondly, in the score, there's oftentimes people singing in the music. And -- (you guessed what I was gonna say, right?) -- I can't understand them either. See, I suppose they could just be singing nonsense, but I don't really think so. In Moria, when the Fellowship is trying to get over the broken section of staircase, as they flee from the Balrog, it sounds something like, "Umastanarë."
Narë it Quenyan for fire . . . and as the balrog is a creature of shadow and fire, I couldn't help but wonder.

Anybody?

Lizra · 08-24-2002, 12:52 PM

What does Sauron say to Frodo after "I see you" when he puts the ring on?

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-24-2002, 01:35 PM

I know they sing in Dwarvish (or w/e its called... like, Thrakluk or something) in Moria and the ring is probably on Black Speech. in my cd they don't have lyrics for the song in moria, I can prolly look it up though.

-~*Sminty*~-

BeardofPants · 08-24-2002, 05:25 PM

If I had the DVD, I'd be able to tell you. Someone must have it. You can put subtitles on, and then it tells you what the ring is saying.

Rei · 08-24-2002, 07:11 PM

When they are on Bree and Frodo puts on the Ring it says :

Quote:

You cannot hide. I see you. There is no life in the void...only death.

When they are at weathertop the Ring is talking in the Black speech, probably the same thing it's saying in Rivendell.

I have no ideas about the lyrics though.

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-24-2002, 08:47 PM

never noticed it had subtitles... does it really? I have yet to notice until I watch it again.

BeardofPants · 08-24-2002, 09:13 PM

Yes. It's in the DVD options somewhere.

Entlover · 08-24-2002, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rei
[B]When they are on Bree and Frodo puts on the Ring it says :B]

Actually I think it's Sauron who says " You cannot hide etc." It's where Sauron's eye appears.

Laurelyn · 08-25-2002, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rei
When they are at weathertop the Ring is talking in the Black speech, probably the same thing it's saying in Rivendell.

I have no ideas about the lyrics though.

But it doesn't sound like Ash Nazg Durbatuluk . . . .

Sminty_Smeagol: Khuzdul?

SUBTITLES??!! You can do subtitles on the DVD? Curses! I wish I had the DVD . . . .

Laurelyn · 08-25-2002, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sminty_Smeagol
In my cd they don't have lyrics for the song in moria, I can prolly look it up though.

-~*Sminty*~-

They don't have lyrics for the Nazgul theme either . . . or most of the other places where the chorus-people are singing their beautiful hearts out.
Where would you go to look it up?

***Ben*** · 08-25-2002, 11:24 AM

Is it just my imagination, or when Gandalf is whispering to the butterfly, does he say "Gwaihir, go." ?

Spock · 08-25-2002, 11:26 AM

I just watched my DVD and when it loads up you have a "ring" of choices. Select language and setup and you can put English subtitles in. However, I did not get any subtitles at times you mention in your query.
The music drives me nuts (ok, it's a short trip) because neither the DVD nor the extra features DVD that has the music video on it have subtitles to tell you what the h.. they're singing.

Sminty_Smeagol · 08-25-2002, 02:52 PM

They have a website with quite a few translations and comments on the music lyrics not given in the soundtrack...

try these:

http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_news.htm

http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack.htm

BeardofPants · 08-25-2002, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bmilder
Is it just my imagination, or when Gandalf is whispering to the butterfly, does he say "Gwaihir, go." ?

Yes.

Ian McKellen said he was muttering gibberish... or mothish.

Lizra · 08-25-2002, 05:24 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rei
[B]When they are on Bree and Frodo puts on the Ring it says :

Thanks Rei, How did you figure that out?

Rei · 08-26-2002, 06:31 PM

I'm a genius!

Actually I just put on my DVD with subtitles!

The Ringbearer · 08-27-2002, 09:25 PM

When Frodo holds the Ring out to Aragorn at Amon Hen, You hear it whispering: Aragorrnnnn.....Ellesssaarrrrrr.....

When Gandalf talks to the moth, maybe all you can hear was the tail end of his sentance: .....Gwaithir, go!

Beruthiel · 08-29-2002, 07:16 AM

Interesting. I could not understand the words when Aragorn placed his hand over the Ring, until you mentioned it and I listened very carefully.

Celandine · 08-30-2002, 02:39 PM

at the council of elrond the ring is saying ash noz timba took, and it is funny

Willow Oran · 08-30-2002, 02:47 PM

No it's muttering in the black speech. But it does sound like it's saying timbatuk, doesn't it.

08-24-2002, 11:29 AM	#1
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	Things you can't understand (aka voice of the ring and song lyrics) First of all, you know how when Frodo has the Ring on in Bree and at Weathertop, it's talking to him? Does anybody have the foggiest idea what it's saying? I know it's yammering "ash nazg durbatuluk" etc. at Rivendell, but the other times it speaks I can't understand it. Secondly, in the score, there's oftentimes people singing in the music. And -- (you guessed what I was gonna say, right?) -- I can't understand them either. See, I suppose they could just be singing nonsense, but I don't really think so. In Moria, when the Fellowship is trying to get over the broken section of staircase, as they flee from the Balrog, it sounds something like, "Umastanarë." Narë it Quenyan for fire . . . and as the balrog is a creature of shadow and fire, I couldn't help but wonder. Anybody? __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

08-24-2002, 05:25 PM	#4
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	If I had the DVD, I'd be able to tell you. Someone must have it. You can put subtitles on, and then it tells you what the ring is saying. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-24-2002, 08:47 PM	#6
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	... never noticed it had subtitles... does it really? I have yet to notice until I watch it again.

08-24-2002, 09:13 PM	#7
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yes. It's in the DVD options somewhere. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-25-2002, 11:24 AM	#11
*Ben* Retired Ent Join Date: Sep 1999 Posts: 60,631	Is it just my imagination, or when Gandalf is whispering to the butterfly, does he say "Gwaihir, go." ? __________________ ---Ben formerly known in the forums as bmilder Owner of The Tolkien Trail and Entmoot. Buy Entmoot shirts and mugs!

08-24-2002, 12:52 PM	#2
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	What does Sauron say to Frodo after "I see you" when he puts the ring on?

08-24-2002, 01:35 PM	#3
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	I know they sing in Dwarvish (or w/e its called... like, Thrakluk or something) in Moria and the ring is probably on Black Speech. in my cd they don't have lyrics for the song in moria, I can prolly look it up though. -~Sminty~-

08-25-2002, 11:26 AM	#12
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	I just watched my DVD and when it loads up you have a "ring" of choices. Select language and setup and you can put English subtitles in. However, I did not get any subtitles at times you mention in your query. The music drives me nuts (ok, it's a short trip) because neither the DVD nor the extra features DVD that has the music video on it have subtitles to tell you what the h.. they're singing. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

08-25-2002, 02:52 PM	#13
Sminty_Smeagol Manic Cardboard-Box Dweller Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: In a house Posts: 1,071	They have a website with quite a few translations and comments on the music lyrics not given in the soundtrack... try these: http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_news.htm http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_soundtrack.htm

08-25-2002, 05:24 PM	#15
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rei [B]When they are on Bree and Frodo puts on the Ring it says : Thanks Rei, How did you figure that out?

08-26-2002, 06:31 PM	#16
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	I'm a genius! Actually I just put on my DVD with subtitles! __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

08-27-2002, 09:25 PM	#17
The Ringbearer Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Crickhollow in the summer, and Rivendell in the winter Posts: 397	When Frodo holds the Ring out to Aragorn at Amon Hen, You hear it whispering: Aragorrnnnn.....Ellesssaarrrrrr..... When Gandalf talks to the moth, maybe all you can hear was the tail end of his sentance: .....Gwaithir, go! __________________ 'Go away, and never come back!!' '......what?' 'But you're a part of this world! Aren't you?' Frodo lives!

08-29-2002, 07:16 AM	#18
Beruthiel Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 41	Interesting. I could not understand the words when Aragorn placed his hand over the Ring, until you mentioned it and I listened very carefully.

08-30-2002, 02:39 PM	#19
Celandine Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 168	at the council of elrond the ring is saying ash noz timba took, and it is funny

08-30-2002, 02:47 PM	#20
Willow Oran Deus Ex Machina Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,951	No it's muttering in the black speech. But it does sound like it's saying timbatuk, doesn't it. __________________ "5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE. -Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi

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