The Sil

Treebeard_00 · 08-21-2002, 07:57 PM

I was just wondering about the relationship between Elves and Men, and the Valar. Are the Children of Iluvatar Elves and men or the Valar?

Mirahzi · 08-21-2002, 09:10 PM

Elves and Men are the Children of Iluvatar. Elves are called the Firstborn, and Men are the Afterborn.

Shadowfax · 08-22-2002, 12:39 AM

Yes, and the Valar were created by Iluvatar (Eru) before the Children of Iluvatar (elves & men).

Dolenloteiel · 09-16-2002, 06:25 PM

I believe that the Children of Iluvatar ar the Valar, but I'm not sure. *flips through copy of the sil*

Radagast The Brown · 09-17-2002, 07:19 AM

I always thought they were all Children of Iluvatar.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-17-2002, 09:06 AM

The Children of Illuvatar are Elves, Men, and later even the Dwarves were counted among them. The Valar are not Children of Illuvatar but his servants. They were each given a charge in nature by him and were to watch over the earth and the Children.

Dain · 09-17-2002, 11:14 AM

Th children of Iluvatar were the Elves, the Valar were known as the Ainur, the Holy Ones

Nilvasaien · 09-17-2002, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sister Golden Hair
The Children of Illuvatar are Elves, Men, and later even the Dwarves were counted among them.

Iluvatar considered the Dwarves his adopted children (because they were created by Aule, who was so anxious for the Firstborn to awaken that he "made" a race of his own), and predicted that there would be much strife between them and the Elves.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 09-17-2002, 03:57 PM

That is correct. Only Illuvatar could give them free will.

08-21-2002, 07:57 PM	#1
Treebeard_00 Sapling Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5	The Sil I was just wondering about the relationship between Elves and Men, and the Valar. Are the Children of Iluvatar Elves and men or the Valar?

08-21-2002, 09:10 PM	#2
Mirahzi Elf Lord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,286	Elves and Men are the Children of Iluvatar. Elves are called the Firstborn, and Men are the Afterborn. __________________ "For the less even as for the greater there is some deed that he may accomplish but once only; and in that deed his heart shall rest." - Fëanor

08-22-2002, 12:39 AM	#3
Shadowfax The Fleet-Footed Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: British Columbia Posts: 913	Yes, and the Valar were created by Iluvatar (Eru) before the Children of Iluvatar (elves & men). __________________ Jesus saved me "To remain ignorant of things that happened before you were born is to remain a child" (Cicero, 106-43 B.C.) "Art is a lie which makes us realize the truth" (Picasso)

09-16-2002, 06:25 PM	#4
Dolenloteiel I elenfea Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Somewhere in the chaos between the first and second ages! (Actually, CO) Posts: 556	I believe that the Children of Iluvatar ar the Valar, but I'm not sure. flips through copy of the sil __________________ "Middle Earth is a real place. And it is New Zealand." Sir Ian McKellan **************************** QUESTION AUTHORITY Ask me anything ************************** "I have not failed, I've only found 10,000 ways that won't work." -Thomas Edison ************************** Visit Tolkien RP Site! Need members, RP all three Ages! (UNDER CONSTRUCTION) http://elvellon.suddenlaunch2.com **************************** "Yay, I can hear the voices in my head again!

09-17-2002, 07:19 AM	#5
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	I always thought they were all Children of Iluvatar. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

09-17-2002, 09:06 AM	#6
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	The Children of Illuvatar are Elves, Men, and later even the Dwarves were counted among them. The Valar are not Children of Illuvatar but his servants. They were each given a charge in nature by him and were to watch over the earth and the Children.

09-17-2002, 11:14 AM	#7
Dain Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Leeds, England Posts: 20	Th children of Iluvatar were the Elves, the Valar were known as the Ainur, the Holy Ones

09-17-2002, 03:57 PM	#9
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	That is correct. Only Illuvatar could give them free will.