The Silmarilion

AragornsonofArathorn · 07-18-2002, 11:27 PM

I have found that the Silmarilion, while it is a very good book, is very confusing. Could anyone help me understand it? When did the dwarves come in? Do wizards ever appear? I'm so confused.:confused:

Khadrane · 07-18-2002, 11:45 PM

Dwarves were created by Aule without Eru's permission, but Eru allowed them to live. He put them to sleep until after the Elves were created. I think that is in "Of Aule and Yavanna," but I'm not sure. Wizards are mentioned in "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age," and Gandalf is also mentioned in "Valaquenta" under "Of the Maiar" using the name Olorin.

sipaca · 07-18-2002, 11:58 PM

Hi, I'm new here, I have never done this before, could somebody explain me how it works?

Tar-Elendil · 07-19-2002, 12:27 AM

they are reffered to as the istari and are only called by their elivsh names i believe.. curunir mithrandir etc.
in "of the maiar" it speaks of them.

Khadrane · 07-19-2002, 12:35 AM

sipaca, there is a newbie welcome thread in general messages. That is where you should go first. Welcome to the Moot!

noldorlord · 07-19-2002, 03:16 AM

The wizards don't come until the Lord of the Rings.

princess-arwen · 07-19-2002, 08:23 AM

I've read the Hobbit and the lord of the rings (Loved Both!) and was told to read the silmarilion next by quite a few people.

Anyway. . . Is the silmarilion more of a history book than a novel???? Someone sum the book up for me please before I go buy it I don't want to buy something then find out I hate it! But I know I am interested in the history etc etc the itty gritty detail about Tolkiens world lol. Someone just give me some idea of what this book is about and like and how its written like!

Many Thanx In advance - Princess Arwen -x-

BeardofPants · 07-19-2002, 08:25 AM

Sum up the Sil? Yeah right!

All I can say is that it's not one big storyline like Hobbit or LOTR, but rather a series of stories regarding mainly the first age of Middle Earth.

princess-arwen · 07-19-2002, 08:29 AM

Ok as long as it is some what like a story. lol Could you rate on the scale of 1 to 10 how difficult it is to actually read. Being 1 easy peasey and 10 being rock solid.

Thanx!

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 07-19-2002, 02:16 PM

The Silmarillion is the account of the creation and the coming of the Elves and Men in the First Age. It is also the account of the Silmarils that were made by Feanor, their theft by Melkor, and the Exile of the Noldor in Valinor to Middle-earth in their efforts to recapture the stones. In all this is woven many battles, and love stories. It is a much more narrative peice of work then LotRs, but it certianly has an appeal and beauty all its own. You may find it tough going when you first begin to read. It seems that the biggest problem most folks complain about is keeping track of all the name of the characters. It is also a book that probably requires more then one read to really be appriciated, but I guarentee it will be well worth your trouble. An awsome book, but you must be determined.

AragornsonofArathorn · 07-19-2002, 11:54 PM

Thanks everyone for your help. I think I get it now.

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 07-20-2002, 07:12 PM

The thread starter is happy with the info provided. Closing.

07-18-2002, 11:27 PM	#1
AragornsonofArathorn Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cold Hell... I mean Minnesota Posts: 15	The Silmarilion I have found that the Silmarilion, while it is a very good book, is very confusing. Could anyone help me understand it? When did the dwarves come in? Do wizards ever appear? I'm so confused.:confused:

07-18-2002, 11:45 PM	#2
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	Dwarves were created by Aule without Eru's permission, but Eru allowed them to live. He put them to sleep until after the Elves were created. I think that is in "Of Aule and Yavanna," but I'm not sure. Wizards are mentioned in "Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age," and Gandalf is also mentioned in "Valaquenta" under "Of the Maiar" using the name Olorin. __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

07-19-2002, 12:27 AM	#4
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	they are reffered to as the istari and are only called by their elivsh names i believe.. curunir mithrandir etc. in "of the maiar" it speaks of them. __________________ Why can we not be sober..

07-19-2002, 12:35 AM	#5
Khadrane Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Middle Earth (I wish) Posts: 670	sipaca, there is a newbie welcome thread in general messages. That is where you should go first. Welcome to the Moot! __________________ Few know whither their road will take them till they come to its end. -Legolas FRODO LIVES! ABORTION IS HOMICIDE

07-19-2002, 03:16 AM	#6
noldorlord Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: derbyshire, england Posts: 42	The wizards don't come until the Lord of the Rings. __________________ "fly you fools" - Gandalf

07-18-2002, 11:58 PM	#3
sipaca Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Tijuana, B.C. (Mexico) Posts: 1	Hi, I'm new here, I have never done this before, could somebody explain me how it works?

07-19-2002, 08:23 AM	#7
princess-arwen Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Wales Posts: 12	I've read the Hobbit and the lord of the rings (Loved Both!) and was told to read the silmarilion next by quite a few people. Anyway. . . Is the silmarilion more of a history book than a novel???? Someone sum the book up for me please before I go buy it I don't want to buy something then find out I hate it! But I know I am interested in the history etc etc the itty gritty detail about Tolkiens world lol. Someone just give me some idea of what this book is about and like and how its written like! Many Thanx In advance - Princess Arwen -x- __________________ Visit My Web Site !!!! www.welshdragonaire.cjb.net !!!!

07-19-2002, 08:25 AM	#8
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Sum up the Sil? Yeah right! All I can say is that it's not one big storyline like Hobbit or LOTR, but rather a series of stories regarding mainly the first age of Middle Earth. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-19-2002, 08:29 AM	#9
princess-arwen Sapling Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: South Wales Posts: 12	Ok as long as it is some what like a story. lol Could you rate on the scale of 1 to 10 how difficult it is to actually read. Being 1 easy peasey and 10 being rock solid. Thanx! __________________ Visit My Web Site !!!! www.welshdragonaire.cjb.net !!!!

07-19-2002, 02:16 PM	#10
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	The Silmarillion is the account of the creation and the coming of the Elves and Men in the First Age. It is also the account of the Silmarils that were made by Feanor, their theft by Melkor, and the Exile of the Noldor in Valinor to Middle-earth in their efforts to recapture the stones. In all this is woven many battles, and love stories. It is a much more narrative peice of work then LotRs, but it certianly has an appeal and beauty all its own. You may find it tough going when you first begin to read. It seems that the biggest problem most folks complain about is keeping track of all the name of the characters. It is also a book that probably requires more then one read to really be appriciated, but I guarentee it will be well worth your trouble. An awsome book, but you must be determined.

07-19-2002, 11:54 PM	#11
AragornsonofArathorn Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cold Hell... I mean Minnesota Posts: 15	Thanks Thanks everyone for your help. I think I get it now.

07-20-2002, 07:12 PM	#12
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	The thread starter is happy with the info provided. Closing.

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