Pie

Hans Moleman · 06-18-2002, 11:03 AM

Pie = 3

emplynx · 06-18-2002, 11:06 AM

Jadera · 06-18-2002, 11:07 AM

I think the mathematical usage of that is spelled 'pi.'

Pie...that just makes me hungry.

Radagast · 06-18-2002, 11:51 AM

3.14159....

Pi is most definately not three Hans.

***azalea*** · 06-18-2002, 01:16 PM

My 3 favorite kinds of pie:
pumpkin, pecan, and shufly.

Jadera · 06-18-2002, 06:51 PM

My two favourite kinds of pie:
Hot and cold.

galadriel88 · 06-18-2002, 08:34 PM

Melktert (Anduril should know what that is), chocolate, and lemon.

Laurelyn · 06-18-2002, 08:35 PM

3.141592653589793238462633832795028841971693993751 058209749445923078164 *breathes* Is that good? My memory sucks.
So, yes, if you round it, pi=3.

My favorite kinds of pi? I don't really care, just so long as the damn thing ain't on my homework!

BeardofPants · 06-18-2002, 09:17 PM

Apple pie?

***Khamûl*** · 06-18-2002, 10:15 PM

Yummm... pie. Definitely pecan, lemon, and chocolate.

I also like American Pie.

TinuvielChild · 06-18-2002, 10:27 PM

Um, Laurelyn, you missed the 4. After "..84626" there should be a 4. You went straight into the "..338327".

I only know it to the 45th place, although some kind soul in my math class last year printed it out to the 1 millionth for me.

galadriel88 · 06-19-2002, 09:36 AM

*shrugs* I just use 3.14, too lazy to bother with anything longer than that! Althougth there is a pi button on my calculator...

Hans Moleman · 06-19-2002, 09:41 AM

To prove the rationality of pi by induction, assume that an N-digit approximation of pi is rational. This number can be expressed as the fraction M/(10^N). Multiplying approximation to pi, with N digits to the right of the decimal place, by (10^N) yields the integer M. Adding the next significant digit to pi can be said to involve multiplying both numerator and denominator by 10 and adding a number between between -5 and +5 (approximation) to the numerator. Since both (10^(N+1)) and (M*10+A) for A between -5 and 5 are integers, the (N+1)-digit approximation of pi is also rational. Also see that adding one digit to the decimal representation of a rational number, without loss of generality, does not make an irrational number.

Therefore, by induction on the number of decimal places, pi is rational.

Hans Moleman · 06-19-2002, 09:44 AM

As every true distance in the physical universe is a finite number with a finite number of digits, and as the circumference and the diameter of a circle are, supposed to be, in reallity, distances in the physical universe, then if pi=c/d, as the product of any finite number multiplied by any other finite number can't equal infintity, and as true infinities are impossible in the physical universe, pi's digits cannot go on forever.

in a perfect circle, there would be an infinite precision, as there would have to be an infinite amount of points. So, you could get an irrational number. However, there is no such thing as a perfect circle in the physical universe

Dwarven Sen · 06-19-2002, 09:52 AM

But pi isnt rational, even i know that. It is irratonal, as is its root, and its square.
How was pi found, i mean did someone find the circumference of lots of circles, and their radii and try to make the connection?
The universe is not finite, in theory nothing is finite.
If perfection and pi/rationality were proportional, than the world would be a very messed up place, infinetly twisted, which puts me in mind of helixes...........................

galadriel88 · 06-19-2002, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Hans MolemanAs every true distance in the physical universe is a finite number with a finite number of digits, and as the circumference and the diameter of a circle are, supposed to be, in reallity, distances in the physical universe, then if pi=c/d, as the product of any finite number multiplied by any other finite number can't equal infintity, and as true infinities are impossible in the physical universe, pi's digits cannot go on forever.

in a perfect circle, there would be an infinite precision, as there would have to be an infinite amount of points. So, you could get an irrational number. However, there is no such thing as a perfect circle in the physical universe
To prove the rationality of pi by induction, assume that an N-digit approximation of pi is rational. This number can be expressed as the fraction M/(10^N). Multiplying approximation to pi, with N digits to the right of the decimal place, by (10^N) yields the integer M. Adding the next significant digit to pi can be said to involve multiplying both numerator and denominator by 10 and adding a number between between -5 and +5 (approximation) to the numerator. Since both (10^(N+1)) and (M*10+A) for A between -5 and 5 are integers, the (N+1)-digit approximation of pi is also rational. Also see that adding one digit to the decimal representation of a rational number, without loss of generality, does not make an irrational number.

Therefore, by induction on the number of decimal places, pi is rational.

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Originally posted by Dwarven SenBut pi isnt rational, even i know that. It is irratonal, as is its root, and its square.
How was pi found, i mean did someone find the circumference of lots of circles, and their radii and try to make the connection?
The universe is not finite, in theory nothing is finite.
If perfection and pi/rationality were proportional, than the world would be a very messed up place, infinetly twisted, which puts me in mind of helixes...........................

What in Middle Earth...

I'm gonna leave this conversation until someone starts speaking English again!

Comic Book Guy · 06-19-2002, 06:07 PM

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What in Middle Earth... I'm gonna leave this conversation until someone starts speaking English again!

It is English.

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 06:09 PM

Actually quantum mechanics has postulated that there ARE finately small and large numbers rather than infinites, so Hans is on the ball there Sen.

webwizard333 · 06-19-2002, 09:38 PM

Is there anything quantum mechanics doesn't explain.

Blueberry pie.

BeardofPants · 06-19-2002, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by webwizard333
Is there anything quantum mechanics doesn't explain.

Well, considering that it deals with the building blocks of everything...

06-18-2002, 11:03 AM	#1
Hans Moleman Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 41	Pie Pie = 3 __________________ Oh you look like the little T.V leprocan i will be looking forward to getting your lucky charms. "Ahh my brain"

06-18-2002, 11:07 AM	#3
Jadera Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 205	I think the mathematical usage of that is spelled 'pi.' Pie...that just makes me hungry. __________________ Whaaaaaaaaaat?? ~Chivalry isn't dead, it just transferred to women~

06-18-2002, 11:51 AM	#4
Radagast Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Merry old England Posts: 413	3.14159.... Pi is most definately not three Hans. __________________ Take up the White Man's burden-- The savage wars of peace-- Fill full the mouth of Famine, And bid the sickness cease; And when your goal is nearest (The end for others sought) Watch sloth and heathen folly Bring all your hope to nought.

06-18-2002, 06:51 PM	#6
Jadera Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Somewhere out there Posts: 205	My two favourite kinds of pie: Hot and cold. __________________ Whaaaaaaaaaat?? ~Chivalry isn't dead, it just transferred to women~

06-18-2002, 08:34 PM	#7
galadriel88 Halfwitted Queen of Lothlorien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Far off in a dream Posts: 1,166	Melktert (Anduril should know what that is), chocolate, and lemon. __________________ The beuatiful mind/The beautiful heart/Doesn't deserve the pain/How can I stop the rain? -How Can I Stop the Rain? by Kessid, my new favorite band +Every good thing that comes into my life is only a reflection of the greatest gift of all; the offering of yourself, dear Son of God+ Always remember, you're uniqe, just like everybody else! "The one constant through all the years has been the Trombone. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Its been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, but the Trombone has marked the time. This field, this section, this band is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again. Oh, people will come . . . people will most definitely come."

06-18-2002, 11:06 AM	#2
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	.14

06-18-2002, 01:16 PM	#5
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	My 3 favorite kinds of pie: pumpkin, pecan, and shufly.

06-18-2002, 08:35 PM	#8
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	3.141592653589793238462633832795028841971693993751 058209749445923078164 breathes Is that good? My memory sucks. So, yes, if you round it, pi=3. My favorite kinds of pi? I don't really care, just so long as the damn thing ain't on my homework! __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

06-18-2002, 09:17 PM	#9
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Apple pie? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-18-2002, 10:15 PM	#10
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Yummm... pie. Definitely pecan, lemon, and chocolate. I also like American Pie. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

06-18-2002, 10:27 PM	#11
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	Um, Laurelyn, you missed the 4. After "..84626" there should be a 4. You went straight into the "..338327". I only know it to the 45th place, although some kind soul in my math class last year printed it out to the 1 millionth for me. __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

06-19-2002, 09:36 AM	#12
galadriel88 Halfwitted Queen of Lothlorien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Far off in a dream Posts: 1,166	shrugs I just use 3.14, too lazy to bother with anything longer than that! Althougth there is a pi button on my calculator... __________________ The beuatiful mind/The beautiful heart/Doesn't deserve the pain/How can I stop the rain? -How Can I Stop the Rain? by Kessid, my new favorite band +Every good thing that comes into my life is only a reflection of the greatest gift of all; the offering of yourself, dear Son of God+ Always remember, you're uniqe, just like everybody else! "The one constant through all the years has been the Trombone. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. Its been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again, but the Trombone has marked the time. This field, this section, this band is a part of our past. It reminds us of all that once was good, and could be again. Oh, people will come . . . people will most definitely come."

06-19-2002, 09:41 AM	#13
Hans Moleman Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 41	To prove the rationality of pi by induction, assume that an N-digit approximation of pi is rational. This number can be expressed as the fraction M/(10^N). Multiplying approximation to pi, with N digits to the right of the decimal place, by (10^N) yields the integer M. Adding the next significant digit to pi can be said to involve multiplying both numerator and denominator by 10 and adding a number between between -5 and +5 (approximation) to the numerator. Since both (10^(N+1)) and (M*10+A) for A between -5 and 5 are integers, the (N+1)-digit approximation of pi is also rational. Also see that adding one digit to the decimal representation of a rational number, without loss of generality, does not make an irrational number. Therefore, by induction on the number of decimal places, pi is rational. __________________ Oh you look like the little T.V leprocan i will be looking forward to getting your lucky charms. "Ahh my brain"

06-19-2002, 09:44 AM	#14
Hans Moleman Hobbit Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 41	As every true distance in the physical universe is a finite number with a finite number of digits, and as the circumference and the diameter of a circle are, supposed to be, in reallity, distances in the physical universe, then if pi=c/d, as the product of any finite number multiplied by any other finite number can't equal infintity, and as true infinities are impossible in the physical universe, pi's digits cannot go on forever. in a perfect circle, there would be an infinite precision, as there would have to be an infinite amount of points. So, you could get an irrational number. However, there is no such thing as a perfect circle in the physical universe __________________ Oh you look like the little T.V leprocan i will be looking forward to getting your lucky charms. "Ahh my brain"

06-19-2002, 09:52 AM	#15
Dwarven Sen Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Edinburgh University Library Posts: 410	But pi isnt rational, even i know that. It is irratonal, as is its root, and its square. How was pi found, i mean did someone find the circumference of lots of circles, and their radii and try to make the connection? The universe is not finite, in theory nothing is finite. If perfection and pi/rationality were proportional, than the world would be a very messed up place, infinetly twisted, which puts me in mind of helixes........................... __________________ Destroy the dementors not the demented. Dont heckle the supervillain Note to Self: Remember that sarcasm is hard to detect from text. What ever you do, don't click this link! my LJ

06-19-2002, 06:09 PM	#18
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Actually quantum mechanics has postulated that there ARE finately small and large numbers rather than infinites, so Hans is on the ball there Sen. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

06-19-2002, 09:38 PM	#19
webwizard333 Elf Lord Join Date: May 2001 Location: myob Posts: 587	Is there anything quantum mechanics doesn't explain. Blueberry pie. __________________ Boo!