Why?

The White Rider · 05-07-2002, 11:58 AM

Why was Gimli allowed to go over to Valamar, when he wasn't an Elf or Ring-bearer. Did Gimli wield a ring before LotR, and which one if he did?????

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eowyn144 · 05-07-2002, 01:32 PM

i think it was mainly to do with his friendship with legolas.

Rána Eressëa · 05-07-2002, 04:28 PM

Yeah, Legolas was sailing to Valinor and took Gimli with him. I guess because of their great friendship the Valar couldn't say no.

Strange-Looking Lurker · 05-07-2002, 06:08 PM

And Galadriel helped I think.

Laredith · 05-07-2002, 07:02 PM

//me comes to Rivendell

I personally think that it was because of his friendship to Legolas (he was an elf-friend, was he not?). And besides that, he killed more orcs than Legolas.

//me leaves after a good refreashing

Menelvagor · 05-07-2002, 08:12 PM

Yes, Galadriel put in a good word for him too.

Elf Girl · 05-08-2002, 05:02 PM

It gives a few (good) reasons in the appendices.

Radagast The Brown · 05-09-2002, 02:34 PM

Maybe you're right but I think that because Gimly was in the fellowship and because he was an important dwarf the Valar let him come in to Valinor.

Elf Girl · 05-10-2002, 06:53 AM

I'm not sure if the importantness of a dwarf matters to the Valar or the Elves. I still think it was his friendship with Legolas and his awe of Galadriel that got him across.

Radagast The Brown · 05-10-2002, 02:13 PM

The Valar don't care if Gimly is a dwarf or not. They care if Gimly is good or bad or if he deserve to be in Valinor.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-14-2002, 03:11 AM

Also, it is not definite that he went, only rumored...

Renille · 05-14-2002, 10:18 PM

He was an elf-friend, like others have said. Gimli and Legolas were probably such good friends by that time that Legolas wouldn't have gone to Valinor without Gimli there.
By the way, I think only elves get into Valinor usually. Men have another reward promised. But this was an exception.

galadriel · 05-16-2002, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Eruviel Greenleaf
Also, it is not definite that he went, only rumored...

You're such a boring skeptic! If you've read the Silmarillion, I bet you think that Tuor died!

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-16-2002, 06:05 PM

We must doubt everything.

No, I know, but it said that in the appendices, that he was only rumoured to have gone, but didn't necessarily go. I'm reading the Silmarillion, but I'm not very far yet so I don't yet have an opinion on the death/not death of Tuor.

Tar-Elendil · 05-16-2002, 08:30 PM

in my opinion, i dont think gimli went to valinor..but an island just within sight of it where some of the Telerin elves dwelt.

Entlover · 05-17-2002, 03:15 AM

I'm learning a lot from reading tolkien's letters. On Sept 25, '54 he wrote: "...in this story it is supposed that there may be certain rare exceptions (to the rule that only High Elves could go to Eressea) . . .and so certain 'mortals', who have played some great part in Elvish affairs, may pass with the Elves to Elvenhome. Thus Frodo (by the express gift of Arwen) and Bilbo, and eventually Sam (as adumbrated by Frodo); and as a unique exception Gimli the Dwarf, as friend of Legolas and 'servant' of galadriel."
Note that Sam went too, eventually.

viggosbeard · 05-17-2002, 03:24 AM

I think Sam went as he was a ringbearer - if only for a while.
I agree that it was to do with Gimli's friendship with legolas , his allegiance to Galadriel and also the fact that he brought a time of peace and friendship between the ever waring elves and dwarves.

05-07-2002, 11:58 AM	#1
The White Rider Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere in the name of Arda Posts: 23	Why? Why was Gimli allowed to go over to Valamar, when he wasn't an Elf or Ring-bearer. Did Gimli wield a ring before LotR, and which one if he did?????????????? __________________ Guiding everyone I can see... Straight to doom except for me.

05-07-2002, 01:32 PM	#2
eowyn144 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 435	i think it was mainly to do with his friendship with legolas. __________________ If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe

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Strange-Looking Lurker Elven Warrior Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: OK, USA Posts: 213	And Galadriel helped I think. __________________ <hr>Check out my site: www.christianjugglers.org

05-07-2002, 07:02 PM	#5
Laredith Enting Join Date: May 2002 Location: Gondor...no seriously, I do. Posts: 64	//me comes to Rivendell I personally think that it was because of his friendship to Legolas (he was an elf-friend, was he not?). And besides that, he killed more orcs than Legolas. //me leaves after a good refreashing __________________ "You're rum little creatures, you humans." --Bree, from HHB ohh...and by the way... FRODO LIVES!!!

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Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	It gives a few (good) reasons in the appendices. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-07-2002, 04:28 PM	#3
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Yeah, Legolas was sailing to Valinor and took Gimli with him. I guess because of their great friendship the Valar couldn't say no.

05-07-2002, 08:12 PM	#6
Menelvagor Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: lurking on the edge of conversations Posts: 924	Yes, Galadriel put in a good word for him too.

05-09-2002, 02:34 PM	#8
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	Maybe you're right but I think that because Gimly was in the fellowship and because he was an important dwarf the Valar let him come in to Valinor. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-10-2002, 06:53 AM	#9
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I'm not sure if the importantness of a dwarf matters to the Valar or the Elves. I still think it was his friendship with Legolas and his awe of Galadriel that got him across. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

05-10-2002, 02:13 PM	#10
Radagast The Brown Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Israel Posts: 6,975	The Valar don't care if Gimly is a dwarf or not. They care if Gimly is good or bad or if he deserve to be in Valinor. __________________ Lalala... poof! AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide

05-14-2002, 03:11 AM	#11
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Also, it is not definite that he went, only rumored... __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-14-2002, 10:18 PM	#12
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	He was an elf-friend, like others have said. Gimli and Legolas were probably such good friends by that time that Legolas wouldn't have gone to Valinor without Gimli there. By the way, I think only elves get into Valinor usually. Men have another reward promised. But this was an exception. __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

05-16-2002, 06:05 PM	#14
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	We must doubt everything. No, I know, but it said that in the appendices, that he was only rumoured to have gone, but didn't necessarily go. I'm reading the Silmarillion, but I'm not very far yet so I don't yet have an opinion on the death/not death of Tuor. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-16-2002, 08:30 PM	#15
Tar-Elendil Númenorean Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,050	in my opinion, i dont think gimli went to valinor..but an island just within sight of it where some of the Telerin elves dwelt. __________________ Why can we not be sober..

05-17-2002, 03:15 AM	#16
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	I'm learning a lot from reading tolkien's letters. On Sept 25, '54 he wrote: "...in this story it is supposed that there may be certain rare exceptions (to the rule that only High Elves could go to Eressea) . . .and so certain 'mortals', who have played some great part in Elvish affairs, may pass with the Elves to Elvenhome. Thus Frodo (by the express gift of Arwen) and Bilbo, and eventually Sam (as adumbrated by Frodo); and as a unique exception Gimli the Dwarf, as friend of Legolas and 'servant' of galadriel." Note that Sam went too, eventually.

05-17-2002, 03:24 AM	#17
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	I think Sam went as he was a ringbearer - if only for a while. I agree that it was to do with Gimli's friendship with legolas , his allegiance to Galadriel and also the fact that he brought a time of peace and friendship between the ever waring elves and dwarves. __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams