half dwarf?

Elbereth Gilthoniel · 04-08-2002, 02:59 PM

I don't think someone esk it befor .
there is in tolkins books a half dwarf? what high he would be?

sorry if I have speling mistakes I don't know english so good.

Andúril · 04-08-2002, 03:29 PM

I've never read anything about the half-dwarven.

Anyway, regarding height, I shall submit the following guestimates:

Dwarf and hobbit : 4ft 3inches
Dwarf and normal man: 5ft 4inches
Dwarf and elf: 5ft 7inches
Dwarf and Numenorean: 6ft 1inch
Dwarf and ent: 9ft 6inches
Dwarf and troll: 9ft 6inches
Dwarf and Argonath: 180ft 6inches
Dwarf and dragon: 30ft long
Dwarf and western eagle: 25ft long
Dwarf and Balrog: 8ft 6inches
Dwarf and Oliphaunt: 10ft

I hope everyone enjoyed those mental images. I did.

Twilight · 04-08-2002, 04:44 PM

I would like to see the cross with the oliphaunt. I wonder if it would be bipedal, or if it would still use four feet. Could you immagine having to fight one of those in battle?

afro-elf · 04-08-2002, 07:07 PM

there is a race called the ULMI who i believe are considered half-dwarves

Elf Girl · 04-08-2002, 08:09 PM

Half dwarf half elf? How likely is that to happen?

Michael Martinez · 04-08-2002, 09:09 PM

There are no Half-dwarves in Tolkien. He describes a group of Easterlings in Sauron's service as "men like half-dwarves". That phrase has apparently led many people to conclude that they were indeed half-dwarves. They might have been, but it is not clearly stated. The passage is extremely ambiguous.

Darth Tater · 04-08-2002, 09:28 PM

Tolkien sure liked being ambiguous didn't he? Think he sat there at his desk thinking "Hrmm, I'm going to have millions of fans some day. Let's see how hard I can make it for them to figure out if balrogs have wings or not"?

Michael Martinez · 04-08-2002, 11:13 PM

Considering that at least 75 per cent of those millions of fans accept the wings, I would say he didn't make it as hard as all that.

The other 25 per cent seem to be just as adamant in their disavowal of the wings.

So, really, there is no ambiguity at all. The Balrog of Moria has wings 75 per cent of the time, and it doesn't have them the other 25 per cent of the time.

Plus or minus 5 or 6 per cent, of course.

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afro-elf · 04-09-2002, 12:24 AM

yea it is umli and MM is correct about his statement about them

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 03:20 AM

Anduril wonders where he was when this vote was taken....

BeardofPants · 04-09-2002, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anduril
I've never read anything about the half-dwarven.

Anyway, regarding height, I shall submit the following guestimates:

Dwarf and Argonath: 180ft 6inches
Dwarf and dragon: 30ft long
Dwarf and western eagle: 25ft long
Dwarf and Balrog: 8ft 6inches
Dwarf and Oliphaunt: 10ft

I hope everyone enjoyed those mental images. I did.

O Anduril! I always knew you'd eventually warp and twist my mind to your way of thinking, but really? A Dwarf and an Oliphaunt? Aaaaiiii!! The pictures in my head! Where, O where am I going to put the beard?

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 04:28 AM

I am thus glad that mine own mental constructs have been transmitted with clear accuracy into thine own brainstem.

In any case, perhaps the beard could go under the trunk, as a type of furry lining? Or perhaps an undersided mane or main or maine, depending on the correct spelling.

BeardofPants · 04-09-2002, 04:40 AM

But would the beard not look better an the end of it's trunk? What an awesome weapon of war that would be. A giant Oliphaunt stampeding towards the puny defense, and then tickling them with it's whiskery badness. (Oh, and I do believe you mean 'mane'.)

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 04:47 AM

Anduril smiles. He is thus amazed at the thoughtfulness of BoP. Who else would have thought of such a clever and intense location for a beard? "No-one, I tell you!"

Anduril sits back and constructs a mental image of a 10ft oliphaunt with a beard at the end of its trunk, tickling rohirrim...

BeardofPants · 04-09-2002, 05:05 AM

Yea, but tis your wisdom that made me think of a beard weilding Oliphaunt in the first place! Methinks the war would have had a very different outcome if the entirety of Rohan was succumbed to the whiskery evilness of thy peanut sized brained animals of fury. And yet, there is hope. If the beard weilding eagles are unleased upon the Oliphaunts, with their stubby legs of fury, then Rohan may yet have hope!

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 06:12 AM

Thine imagination is incredibly wonderful, percise, concise and adept. I totally agree with your thought on the weapon of war a bearded oliphaunt would make, and I also agree with thine bearded eagles, and the domination they would bring to the hosts of the west.

But what dost thou, in thine impenetrable wisdom, think of the existence of the bearded balrog? Ist that not scary as hell?

BeardofPants · 04-09-2002, 06:18 AM

Yea! That is as scary as 'ell! I would envision the bearded bit to be placed upon the balrog's back! We all know the evillness of a hairy back, so it seems only fitting that the balrog-dwarf would manifest there! And those things that look like wings? Well they're actually stumpy dwarven arms that have mutated onto the balrog's back....

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 06:32 AM

Woah, creepy!! Your thought provocations have lead to my destined nightmares...

Less creepy, bad or evil, but strange nevertheless, is the occurence of the Argonath-dwarf...

BeardofPants · 04-09-2002, 06:39 AM

Well yes, that does require less thinking. Still, a real beard on a pillar? I don't want to think how an Argonath and a dwarf produced a child from this union....

Andúril · 04-09-2002, 06:58 AM

Neither do I...

04-08-2002, 02:59 PM	#1
Elbereth Gilthoniel Enting Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: israel Posts: 80	half dwarf? I don't think someone esk it befor . there is in tolkins books a half dwarf? what high he would be? sorry if I have speling mistakes I don't know english so good. __________________ O Elbereth! Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees, thy starlight on the Western Seas.

04-08-2002, 04:44 PM	#3
Twilight Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Wilmore, KY Posts: 269	I would like to see the cross with the oliphaunt. I wonder if it would be bipedal, or if it would still use four feet. Could you immagine having to fight one of those in battle? __________________ Sometimes I wonder how many monkeys with typewritters it would take to reproduce what I just wrote.

04-08-2002, 07:07 PM	#4
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	there is a race called the ULMI who i believe are considered half-dwarves __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-08-2002, 08:09 PM	#5
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Half dwarf half elf? How likely is that to happen? __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-08-2002, 09:09 PM	#6
Michael Martinez Elven Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 892	There are no Half-dwarves in Tolkien. He describes a group of Easterlings in Sauron's service as "men like half-dwarves". That phrase has apparently led many people to conclude that they were indeed half-dwarves. They might have been, but it is not clearly stated. The passage is extremely ambiguous. __________________ http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ http://www.michael-martinez.com/ http://www.merp.com/essays/MichaelMartinez/

04-08-2002, 03:29 PM	#2
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I've never read anything about the half-dwarven. Anyway, regarding height, I shall submit the following guestimates: Dwarf and hobbit : 4ft 3inches Dwarf and normal man: 5ft 4inches Dwarf and elf: 5ft 7inches Dwarf and Numenorean: 6ft 1inch Dwarf and ent: 9ft 6inches Dwarf and troll: 9ft 6inches Dwarf and Argonath: 180ft 6inches Dwarf and dragon: 30ft long Dwarf and western eagle: 25ft long Dwarf and Balrog: 8ft 6inches Dwarf and Oliphaunt: 10ft I hope everyone enjoyed those mental images. I did.

04-08-2002, 09:28 PM	#7
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Tolkien sure liked being ambiguous didn't he? Think he sat there at his desk thinking "Hrmm, I'm going to have millions of fans some day. Let's see how hard I can make it for them to figure out if balrogs have wings or not"? __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-08-2002, 11:13 PM	#8
Michael Martinez Elven Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 892	Considering that at least 75 per cent of those millions of fans accept the wings, I would say he didn't make it as hard as all that. The other 25 per cent seem to be just as adamant in their disavowal of the wings. So, really, there is no ambiguity at all. The Balrog of Moria has wings 75 per cent of the time, and it doesn't have them the other 25 per cent of the time. Plus or minus 5 or 6 per cent, of course. This has not been a scientific survey. Tax, tags, and title fees may apply. Service is not available in all areas. Check your local listings for times and channels. This has been a public service announcement of the International Brotherhood of Balrog Wings Experts. __________________ http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ http://www.michael-martinez.com/ http://www.merp.com/essays/MichaelMartinez/

04-09-2002, 12:24 AM	#9
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	yea it is umli and MM is correct about his statement about them __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

04-09-2002, 03:20 AM	#10
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Anduril wonders where he was when this vote was taken....

04-09-2002, 04:28 AM	#12
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	I am thus glad that mine own mental constructs have been transmitted with clear accuracy into thine own brainstem. In any case, perhaps the beard could go under the trunk, as a type of furry lining? Or perhaps an undersided mane or main or maine, depending on the correct spelling.

04-09-2002, 04:40 AM	#13
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	But would the beard not look better an the end of it's trunk? What an awesome weapon of war that would be. A giant Oliphaunt stampeding towards the puny defense, and then tickling them with it's whiskery badness. (Oh, and I do believe you mean 'mane'.) __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 04-09-2002 at 04:46 AM.

04-09-2002, 04:47 AM	#14
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Anduril smiles. He is thus amazed at the thoughtfulness of BoP. Who else would have thought of such a clever and intense location for a beard? "No-one, I tell you!" Anduril sits back and constructs a mental image of a 10ft oliphaunt with a beard at the end of its trunk, tickling rohirrim...

04-09-2002, 05:05 AM	#15
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yea, but tis your wisdom that made me think of a beard weilding Oliphaunt in the first place! Methinks the war would have had a very different outcome if the entirety of Rohan was succumbed to the whiskery evilness of thy peanut sized brained animals of fury. And yet, there is hope. If the beard weilding eagles are unleased upon the Oliphaunts, with their stubby legs of fury, then Rohan may yet have hope! __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-09-2002, 06:12 AM	#16
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Thine imagination is incredibly wonderful, percise, concise and adept. I totally agree with your thought on the weapon of war a bearded oliphaunt would make, and I also agree with thine bearded eagles, and the domination they would bring to the hosts of the west. But what dost thou, in thine impenetrable wisdom, think of the existence of the bearded balrog? Ist that not scary as hell?

04-09-2002, 06:18 AM	#17
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Yea! That is as scary as 'ell! I would envision the bearded bit to be placed upon the balrog's back! We all know the evillness of a hairy back, so it seems only fitting that the balrog-dwarf would manifest there! And those things that look like wings? Well they're actually stumpy dwarven arms that have mutated onto the balrog's back.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-09-2002, 06:32 AM	#18
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Woah, creepy!! Your thought provocations have lead to my destined nightmares... Less creepy, bad or evil, but strange nevertheless, is the occurence of the Argonath-dwarf...

04-09-2002, 06:39 AM	#19
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Well yes, that does require less thinking. Still, a real beard on a pillar? I don't want to think how an Argonath and a dwarf produced a child from this union.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

04-09-2002, 06:58 AM	#20
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	Neither do I...

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