Ent-daughts

Halley_Brandybuck · 04-07-2002, 02:22 PM

the Ent-daughts made Pippin and Merry a little taller and bigger and I'm wonedering how much the movie will show

will they turn from halflings to three-quarters-lings? or even to the height of a short man?

I know that they are described in the books when Sam and Frodo see them as the size of children of about ten or so

of course they could ignore this detail altogether as well

Elf Girl · 04-07-2002, 02:35 PM

I noticed in the movie that the hieght of the hobbits varied from scene to scene, so they probably don't have much control over that and will omit it.

emplynx · 04-07-2002, 03:29 PM

The size of the hobbits was done mostly by camera angles. Such as, if you hold the camera closer to Gandalf the hobbits will look small in proportion... minerature doubles and computers were used occasionly. I would imagine they will try to make the hobbits look bigger, but I don't know how it will work out.

Rána Eressëa · 04-08-2002, 03:10 AM

I hope they add this effect to the film. I think it'd be fun.

LuthienTinuviel · 04-08-2002, 07:00 PM

rogue no red hair yet? ( sorry i still think of you as rogue elf! i'll get the hang of the new name sooner or later)

anyways, i hope they leave it in, im already fretting my lil brain over the changes they have made already, what wih arwen at helms deep, new characters they need to support the new story, moving other things around like narsil and how aragorn will ge tit .. blah blah blah..

Elf Girl · 04-08-2002, 07:59 PM

He doesn't have Narsil yet? I thought it was quietly reforged and there would be a flashback of it later. Arwen will bring to Helms Deep, I suppose?

Khadrane · 04-08-2002, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Elf Girl
He doesn't have Narsil yet? I thought it was quietly reforged and there would be a flashback of it later. Arwen will bring to Helms Deep, I suppose?

Grr... I hope not!

Darth Tater · 04-08-2002, 08:51 PM

Where do you get this idea that Arwen's at Helm's Deep? This is just like the crazy reactions way back when, ppl thinking she was joining the fellowship as soon as they heard her role was expanded. Turned out to be about 10 minutes in the film! Yes, she apparently brings Aragorn teh sword, but I've heard nothign about fighting with him.

Arathorn · 04-08-2002, 09:42 PM

Whatever she does in TTT, I am quite intrigued by that scene of her lying on a boat in the water like Boromir in the trailer.

Does anyone have ideas or other info about it? It looks like a palantir vision or dream; probably Aragorn's?

Rána Eressëa · 04-08-2002, 10:35 PM

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Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
rogue no red hair yet? ( sorry i still think of you as rogue elf! i'll get the hang of the new name sooner or later)

No . . . I'm waiting 'til I'm completely sick of the blonde.

I am still Rogue Elf; that's what Men call me. Rána Eressëa is just the name those Elves started, and I happen to like it better (considering I'm not a full-blooded elf).

I wonder if they do do the Ent-draughts whether or not Merry and Pippin's hair will grow thicker and longer, as well as them getting a little taller. You think they'll add that to the film?

Ërendil · 04-10-2002, 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
Whatever she does in TTT, I am quite intrigued by that scene of her lying on a boat in the water like Boromir in the trailer.

Nver seen that! Where did u see it?

Arathorn · 04-10-2002, 08:16 AM

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Nver seen that! Where did u see it?

At around 1:35 on the downloaded trailer.

Elfmaster XK · 04-10-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Rána Eressëa

No . . . I'm waiting 'til I'm completely sick of the blonde.

I am still Rogue Elf; that's what Men call me. Rána Eressëa is just the name those Elves started, and I happen to like it better (considering I'm not a full-blooded elf).

I wonder if they do do the Ent-draughts whether or not Merry and Pippin's hair will grow thicker and longer, as well as them getting a little taller. You think they'll add that to the film?

At least you're still RE. If that was different ppl could get confused. I think it'll be easier for them to show tham being taller since it will mean less xhanging of the camera angles. I think they should do it.

Maybe Arwen will die like Boromir...im sure many ppl wish it.

bropous · 04-10-2002, 11:46 PM

Didn't merry and pippin end up a little shorter than dwarves? I can see Jackson keeping this detail in, it's only a matter of camera angles, as said before, and prosthetics and stilts.

You know, it is incredible how Jackson got past what had for a long time been the assumption that midgets would have to play Hobbits in a live action LotR. Since, unlike hobbits, midgets aren't usually well-poportioned, it would have really taken from the flavor of the Hobbits to portray them so. The use of stilts and shooting from below was really effective and allowed regulat actors do the hobbit parts. Well done. I especially loved Gandalf's hands.

kennebecc · 04-11-2002, 03:03 PM

It's already been confirmed by both actors that the characters of Merry and Pippin will grow after drinking the Ent draught. I wouldn't be surprised to see their hair grow too.

Halley_Brandybuck · 04-11-2002, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by Arathorn
Whatever she does in TTT, I am quite intrigued by that scene of her lying on a boat in the water like Boromir in the trailer.

Does anyone have ideas or other info about it? It looks like a palantir vision or dream; probably Aragorn's?

Oooooh..... I like that idea.....

did anyone else notice in the trailer that he (Aragorn) was walking up to the statue that held the shards?

but yeah... that palantir vision thing is very very possible.... I like that theory, Arathorn... I like it alot

Earenya · 04-11-2002, 08:53 PM

Oooh, thats a very cool idea!! Are we sure it is Aragorn at the statue, though? Its just a robed figure, I had assumed it was Arwen since the statue is in Rivendell, correct?

Halley_Brandybuck · 04-11-2002, 09:04 PM

Ooh I didn't think of that... when I saw the figure I thought it was him because I believe that is when Gandalf is saying "He is afraid of you Aragorn" so I guess that made me think that (I've only seen it once so I don't know)

Arathorn · 04-11-2002, 09:47 PM

I wonder if we'll see any talking orcs. Grishnak(sp?), perhaps?

Earenya · 04-11-2002, 10:21 PM

Talking orcs! I sure hope so!!!

As for the figure-approaching-statue, another reason I considered it to be Arwen is there is another shot of her looking up, and she has a cloak over her head....... but it is at a different section in the trailer so who knows...... AHHHHHHH the suspense is sooo torturous!!!

04-07-2002, 02:22 PM	#1
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	Ent-daughts the Ent-daughts made Pippin and Merry a little taller and bigger and I'm wonedering how much the movie will show will they turn from halflings to three-quarters-lings? or even to the height of a short man? I know that they are described in the books when Sam and Frodo see them as the size of children of about ten or so of course they could ignore this detail altogether as well __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

04-07-2002, 02:35 PM	#2
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	I noticed in the movie that the hieght of the hobbits varied from scene to scene, so they probably don't have much control over that and will omit it. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-08-2002, 07:00 PM	#5
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	rogue no red hair yet? ( sorry i still think of you as rogue elf! i'll get the hang of the new name sooner or later) anyways, i hope they leave it in, im already fretting my lil brain over the changes they have made already, what wih arwen at helms deep, new characters they need to support the new story, moving other things around like narsil and how aragorn will ge tit .. blah blah blah.. __________________

04-08-2002, 07:59 PM	#6
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	He doesn't have Narsil yet? I thought it was quietly reforged and there would be a flashback of it later. Arwen will bring to Helms Deep, I suppose? __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

04-08-2002, 08:51 PM	#8
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Where do you get this idea that Arwen's at Helm's Deep? This is just like the crazy reactions way back when, ppl thinking she was joining the fellowship as soon as they heard her role was expanded. Turned out to be about 10 minutes in the film! Yes, she apparently brings Aragorn teh sword, but I've heard nothign about fighting with him. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

04-07-2002, 03:29 PM	#3
emplynx Self-Appointed Lord of the Free Peoples of the General Messages Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,214	The size of the hobbits was done mostly by camera angles. Such as, if you hold the camera closer to Gandalf the hobbits will look small in proportion... minerature doubles and computers were used occasionly. I would imagine they will try to make the hobbits look bigger, but I don't know how it will work out.

04-08-2002, 03:10 AM	#4
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	I hope they add this effect to the film. I think it'd be fun.

04-08-2002, 09:42 PM	#9
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Whatever she does in TTT, I am quite intrigued by that scene of her lying on a boat in the water like Boromir in the trailer. Does anyone have ideas or other info about it? It looks like a palantir vision or dream; probably Aragorn's? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-10-2002, 11:46 PM	#14
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Didn't merry and pippin end up a little shorter than dwarves? I can see Jackson keeping this detail in, it's only a matter of camera angles, as said before, and prosthetics and stilts. You know, it is incredible how Jackson got past what had for a long time been the assumption that midgets would have to play Hobbits in a live action LotR. Since, unlike hobbits, midgets aren't usually well-poportioned, it would have really taken from the flavor of the Hobbits to portray them so. The use of stilts and shooting from below was really effective and allowed regulat actors do the hobbit parts. Well done. I especially loved Gandalf's hands. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

04-11-2002, 03:03 PM	#15
kennebecc Hobbit Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: US Posts: 35	Merry and Pippin It's already been confirmed by both actors that the characters of Merry and Pippin will grow after drinking the Ent draught. I wouldn't be surprised to see their hair grow too.

04-11-2002, 08:53 PM	#17
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	Oooh, thats a very cool idea!! Are we sure it is Aragorn at the statue, though? Its just a robed figure, I had assumed it was Arwen since the statue is in Rivendell, correct? __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

04-11-2002, 09:04 PM	#18
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	Ooh I didn't think of that... when I saw the figure I thought it was him because I believe that is when Gandalf is saying "He is afraid of you Aragorn" so I guess that made me think that (I've only seen it once so I don't know) __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

04-11-2002, 09:47 PM	#19
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I wonder if we'll see any talking orcs. Grishnak(sp?), perhaps? __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

04-11-2002, 10:21 PM	#20
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	Talking orcs! I sure hope so!!! As for the figure-approaching-statue, another reason I considered it to be Arwen is there is another shot of her looking up, and she has a cloak over her head....... but it is at a different section in the trailer so who knows...... AHHHHHHH the suspense is sooo torturous!!! __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

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