One little thing.....

Halley_Brandybuck · 03-31-2002, 07:38 PM

I've been doign some thinking, and especially since I've read the books since I've seen the movies, there are some little things that they could've included without changing their adapted storyline

1) In Moria, when the Balrog finally showed itself, Legolas's breakdown (as someone put it in the "who is the most valiant" post in the books forum) whould've been perfect. Just show him get ready to shoot an orc or two and then bug-eyes, lower the bow, drop arrow then cut to the Balrog the way they first showed it in the movie.... perfect

2) when the hobbits get to Bree, the way the shoot it when they enter makes for the perfect angle to show Aragorn jumping over the gates but they didn't

I'll prolly think of more once I see the movie again

feel free to add your own little things (nothing major like the absense of Tom Bombadil or the gifts) just little things like the above

Darth Tater · 03-31-2002, 08:04 PM

There are so many coulda shoulda woulda's when you know the source material. My favorite (series of) shot(s) in the movie is Boromir's breakdown after trying to get the ring from Frodo, and it's not at all how I would have filmed it.

Halley_Brandybuck · 03-31-2002, 08:50 PM

dude... I woulda had Boromir actually try to yank the chain from Frodo's neck but then Frodo slipped on the ring and scampered away I wouldn't've had hime actually punch Boromir like he did.... not very hobbitlike

Darth Tater · 03-31-2002, 10:12 PM

Goddamnit! Can we have one thread in this section that isn't about nitpicking? One thread where ppl appreciate the genius of this film rather then tearing it appart because it isn't word for word, frame for frame exactly the same as the book? Once again I say, how dull would that be! Oh, and they're different mediums! I feel like those two things are becoming my mantra. Geesh I'm about ready to go looking for a Tolkien forum where ppl actually know how to appreciate a wonderful thing when they see it, and don't bitch about every little thing!

TinuvielChild · 03-31-2002, 10:35 PM

um, may i make a comment? in the thread i was in a little while ago, BeardofPants and jerseydevil appear to be the ONLY people in the thread that DON'T like the LotR movie! the rest of us are absolutely rabid with adoration and "Must See Again.." syndrome!

yeah..i just had to say that. ;D

Halley_Brandybuck · 04-01-2002, 01:02 AM

sorry, Tater... I was just making some observations

Eruviel Greenleaf · 04-01-2002, 01:37 AM

Observations are fine, but we do tend to pick apart the movie looking for stuff that could have been better. The way I see it, it's just a sign of how good it actually is, seeing as nothing is perfect, and we wouldn't even bother if it were really bad! But yes, I would have liked to see Legolas' 'breakdown.' But it wasn't there. Oh well, it was still a good movie.

***Earniel*** · 04-01-2002, 10:31 AM

The point is that the next film is gonna take ages to get here. In the mean time we can only discuss the first one. The more you see it or think about it, the more you'll see things you like and things you didn't like. And the more the same things are pointed out. It's inevitable.

StrawberryIcecream · 04-01-2002, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darth Tater
Goddamnit! Can we have one thread in this section that isn't about nitpicking? One thread where ppl appreciate the genius of this film rather then tearing it appart because it isn't word for word, frame for frame exactly the same as the book? Once again I say, how dull would that be! Oh, and they're different mediums! I feel like those two things are becoming my mantra. Geesh I'm about ready to go looking for a Tolkien forum where ppl actually know how to appreciate a wonderful thing when they see it, and don't bitch about every little thing!

Well said Boiled Tater! Just what I was thinking. I'm not getting at any of you, it's just can't we accept it as what it is and face that if it werent for that movie, half of you wouldnt even have discovered Tolkien.

Ërendil · 05-01-2002, 03:56 PM

I would have as i had read the book and enjoyed it before the movie came out.
But i wouldn't have been as obsessed about it. I mean when i was reading the book i didn't want to learn Quenya (I'm on lesson 6 at the moment which i am really proud of since i only started the course a couple of days ago!) or download pictures of Elijah Wood or completly change my room into a Tolkien Haven.
I love the film...after all i have seen it 9 times!

Lanelf · 05-01-2002, 11:38 PM

I think the movie actually did pretty well, but I hear that Shelob is being left till RotK - Where is the stuff with Sam & Frodo & Gollum going to go, may I ask? Goll's just going to be some guy hanging in the shadows the whole time!
Anyway, I know this has been said before, and will be again, but I still think Glorfindel shoulda bleeping been there! Xenarwen stole Glorfi's glory, stole his role, and stole his BLEEPING HORSE!
Anyway, later.
____________
A small cute frog reads the bits with Glorfi again. And again. And again.

bropous · 05-01-2002, 11:52 PM

I agree there are PLENTY threads already picking the living hades out of the film, and yet every time someone attempts to post a thread praising the finer points of the film, the same "usual suspects" pop up and tear this part or that part to bits because it doesn't match the mental picture they created while reading the books. Heck, even when stating from the outset a particular thread is started to thank the director who put together hte funding, the cast and the film, the PJ haters jump in and spoil the entire theme.

As far as I am concerned, PJ filmed LotR perfectly. Perfectly for HIS retelling of the story. As I have stated oh so many times before, YOU go out and secure 280 million dollars from investors and get them to risk it on a film which may very well have ended up appealing only to EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED
DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO's. THEN you can change this or that scene.

To me, Peter Jackson could not have done a better job. Now, whether I feel the same after leaving the theater Dec 19, 2004 after Return of the King and getting no Scouring of the Shire, is a matter for conjecture.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-02-2002, 12:08 AM

I wouldn't say it was perfect, but people are right, we ought to stop picking it apart looking for errors--something I am guilty of. Anyway. Well, I'm trying to look at it this way: who cares about the little details, at least we have the film!

Arathorn · 05-02-2002, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bropous

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To me, Peter Jackson could not have done a better job. Now, whether I feel the same after leaving the theater Dec 19, 2004 after Return of the King and getting no Scouring of the Shire, is a matter for conjecture.

After seeing FOTR for 9 times on the big screen and the trailer many more times, I agree. It blows me away and pulls me back for more.

Speaking of nitpicking, I believe you meant 2003.

Lizra · 05-02-2002, 05:44 PM

PJ said he made the movie he wanted to see, not what everone thought it should be. This is the only way an artist can operate and get high quality results. Pj outdid himself! I read the trilogy when I was in high school back in 1972. It was the thrill of my junior year. I couldn't believe it when I read someone was going to attempt a movie after all these years. I have to go take my daughter to work, be back later.

bropous · 05-02-2002, 10:39 PM

okay, it should have been 2003....dammit, I was tired!

Lizra · 05-02-2002, 11:59 PM

When I went to the movie, it had been 30 years since I read the books. This worked well, I really enjoyed the movie and didn't nit pick over the details. Of course, I then went back and reread all the books and was so happy to escape to middle earth again. It's as wonderful as it ever was, and I certainly need to escape more now than I did as a carefree 16 year old. The TT trailer looks great, what is Arwen doing in that boat thing!

Arathorn · 05-03-2002, 12:31 AM

I'm speculating that it may be a palantir vision or something that PJ has added to enhance Aragorn's character.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-03-2002, 12:40 AM

Oh yeah, welcome to the moot, Lizra!

I realize I probably would not have read the books if it were not for the movie (I read it first, that's generally my rule about movies) so even if it had turned out to be terrible, I would be quite grateful for it anyway. Or at least I say I would have. . .

Lizra · 05-03-2002, 02:06 AM

Thank you Arathorn, Thank you Eruviel Greenleaf, I'm having a hard time doing this, I keep losing stuff. Somewhere in this moot I saw a complaint of the hollywood treatment. I felt a little of this with the ugliness of the orcs. I always pictured them as swarthy, brown, baboon arm things. Why such hideous, deformed, pus covered, slime monsters? I must admit, the scene with Saruman preening over the Urak Hai that killed Boromir (sob!) is very cool. I like where they paint themselves up with the white hand, sort of like native american warriors did. What's with all the quotes?

03-31-2002, 07:38 PM	#1
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	One little thing..... I've been doign some thinking, and especially since I've read the books since I've seen the movies, there are some little things that they could've included without changing their adapted storyline 1) In Moria, when the Balrog finally showed itself, Legolas's breakdown (as someone put it in the "who is the most valiant" post in the books forum) whould've been perfect. Just show him get ready to shoot an orc or two and then bug-eyes, lower the bow, drop arrow then cut to the Balrog the way they first showed it in the movie.... perfect 2) when the hobbits get to Bree, the way the shoot it when they enter makes for the perfect angle to show Aragorn jumping over the gates but they didn't I'll prolly think of more once I see the movie again feel free to add your own little things (nothing major like the absense of Tom Bombadil or the gifts) just little things like the above __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

03-31-2002, 08:04 PM	#2
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	There are so many coulda shoulda woulda's when you know the source material. My favorite (series of) shot(s) in the movie is Boromir's breakdown after trying to get the ring from Frodo, and it's not at all how I would have filmed it. __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

03-31-2002, 08:50 PM	#3
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	dude... I woulda had Boromir actually try to yank the chain from Frodo's neck but then Frodo slipped on the ring and scampered away I wouldn't've had hime actually punch Boromir like he did.... not very hobbitlike __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

03-31-2002, 10:12 PM	#4
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	Goddamnit! Can we have one thread in this section that isn't about nitpicking? One thread where ppl appreciate the genius of this film rather then tearing it appart because it isn't word for word, frame for frame exactly the same as the book? Once again I say, how dull would that be! Oh, and they're different mediums! I feel like those two things are becoming my mantra. Geesh I'm about ready to go looking for a Tolkien forum where ppl actually know how to appreciate a wonderful thing when they see it, and don't bitch about every little thing! __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

03-31-2002, 10:35 PM	#5
TinuvielChild Padawan Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The Barony of Carolingia Posts: 2,176	um, may i make a comment? in the thread i was in a little while ago, BeardofPants and jerseydevil appear to be the ONLY people in the thread that DON'T like the LotR movie! the rest of us are absolutely rabid with adoration and "Must See Again.." syndrome! yeah..i just had to say that. ;D __________________ There are only four questions of value in life: What is sacred? Of what is the spirit made? What is worth living for? What is worth dying for? The answer to each is the same: ONLY LOVE. Dance as though nobody's watching. Sing as though nobody's listening. Dream as though you'll live forever. Live as though you'll die tomorrow. EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMEDDCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO and proud! FRODO LIVES!!!!!

04-01-2002, 01:02 AM	#6
Halley_Brandybuck Elven Warrior Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Griffith IN Posts: 136	sorry, Tater... I was just making some observations __________________ ~in Halley Brandybuck's hobbitish opinion I am in search of an MPEG version of the trailer... if anyone finds one, let me know! Do not meddle in the affairs of females for they are PMS-ing and quick to batter. "He fears you Aragorn, and what you may become" Two Towers in 6 months!

04-01-2002, 01:37 AM	#7
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Observations are fine, but we do tend to pick apart the movie looking for stuff that could have been better. The way I see it, it's just a sign of how good it actually is, seeing as nothing is perfect, and we wouldn't even bother if it were really bad! But yes, I would have liked to see Legolas' 'breakdown.' But it wasn't there. Oh well, it was still a good movie. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

04-01-2002, 10:31 AM	#8
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	The point is that the next film is gonna take ages to get here. In the mean time we can only discuss the first one. The more you see it or think about it, the more you'll see things you like and things you didn't like. And the more the same things are pointed out. It's inevitable. __________________ We are not things.

05-01-2002, 03:56 PM	#10
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I would have as i had read the book and enjoyed it before the movie came out. But i wouldn't have been as obsessed about it. I mean when i was reading the book i didn't want to learn Quenya (I'm on lesson 6 at the moment which i am really proud of since i only started the course a couple of days ago!) or download pictures of Elijah Wood or completly change my room into a Tolkien Haven. I love the film...after all i have seen it 9 times! __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

05-01-2002, 11:38 PM	#11
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	I think the movie actually did pretty well, but I hear that Shelob is being left till RotK - Where is the stuff with Sam & Frodo & Gollum going to go, may I ask? Goll's just going to be some guy hanging in the shadows the whole time! Anyway, I know this has been said before, and will be again, but I still think Glorfindel shoulda bleeping been there! Xenarwen stole Glorfi's glory, stole his role, and stole his BLEEPING HORSE! Anyway, later. ____________ A small cute frog reads the bits with Glorfi again. And again. And again.

05-01-2002, 11:52 PM	#12
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I agree there are PLENTY threads already picking the living hades out of the film, and yet every time someone attempts to post a thread praising the finer points of the film, the same "usual suspects" pop up and tear this part or that part to bits because it doesn't match the mental picture they created while reading the books. Heck, even when stating from the outset a particular thread is started to thank the director who put together hte funding, the cast and the film, the PJ haters jump in and spoil the entire theme. As far as I am concerned, PJ filmed LotR perfectly. Perfectly for HIS retelling of the story. As I have stated oh so many times before, YOU go out and secure 280 million dollars from investors and get them to risk it on a film which may very well have ended up appealing only to EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO's. THEN you can change this or that scene. To me, Peter Jackson could not have done a better job. Now, whether I feel the same after leaving the theater Dec 19, 2004 after Return of the King and getting no Scouring of the Shire, is a matter for conjecture. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

05-02-2002, 12:08 AM	#13
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	I wouldn't say it was perfect, but people are right, we ought to stop picking it apart looking for errors--something I am guilty of. Anyway. Well, I'm trying to look at it this way: who cares about the little details, at least we have the film! __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-02-2002, 05:44 PM	#15
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	PJ said he made the movie he wanted to see, not what everone thought it should be. This is the only way an artist can operate and get high quality results. Pj outdid himself! I read the trilogy when I was in high school back in 1972. It was the thrill of my junior year. I couldn't believe it when I read someone was going to attempt a movie after all these years. I have to go take my daughter to work, be back later.

05-02-2002, 10:39 PM	#16
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	okay, it should have been 2003....dammit, I was tired! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

05-02-2002, 11:59 PM	#17
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	one little thing When I went to the movie, it had been 30 years since I read the books. This worked well, I really enjoyed the movie and didn't nit pick over the details. Of course, I then went back and reread all the books and was so happy to escape to middle earth again. It's as wonderful as it ever was, and I certainly need to escape more now than I did as a carefree 16 year old. The TT trailer looks great, what is Arwen doing in that boat thing!

05-03-2002, 12:31 AM	#18
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Forgot to welcome you Lizra! I'm speculating that it may be a palantir vision or something that PJ has added to enhance Aragorn's character. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

05-03-2002, 12:40 AM	#19
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	Oh yeah, welcome to the moot, Lizra! I realize I probably would not have read the books if it were not for the movie (I read it first, that's generally my rule about movies) so even if it had turned out to be terrible, I would be quite grateful for it anyway. Or at least I say I would have. . . __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-03-2002, 02:06 AM	#20
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Thank you Arathorn, Thank you Eruviel Greenleaf, I'm having a hard time doing this, I keep losing stuff. Somewhere in this moot I saw a complaint of the hollywood treatment. I felt a little of this with the ugliness of the orcs. I always pictured them as swarthy, brown, baboon arm things. Why such hideous, deformed, pus covered, slime monsters? I must admit, the scene with Saruman preening over the Urak Hai that killed Boromir (sob!) is very cool. I like where they paint themselves up with the white hand, sort of like native american warriors did. What's with all the quotes?

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