Arwen's necklace...

Earenya · 03-02-2002, 12:25 PM

**So before big industry starts producing "Arwen's Necklace!" and selling cheap versions of them for $34.99 a pop, I have a question:
Is there anything in the books about her necklace? Eowyn's, yes, but Arwen? Or was that simply an idea for the movie to illustrate the giving up of her immortal life?

Glorious Glorfindel · 03-02-2002, 12:39 PM

I don't remember Arwens necklace being mentioned in the book, it was probably one of those scenes to add an aditional storyline ontop of the first one. Y i do not know, especially as there r LOADS of different storylines going on already!

Glorious Glorfindel · 03-02-2002, 12:41 PM

i saw an arwen necklace lookalike at e-bay but it woz like the shiny plastic which Barbies have, and it woz selling at sum ripoff price!

markedel · 03-02-2002, 01:01 PM

Arwen gave frodo a necklace before they parted in Rohan in ROTK.

Comic Book Guy · 03-02-2002, 03:37 PM

When I first saw the Movie, I thought that would be Peter Jacksons adaptation of the Elessar, as the giving of the gifts would be cut from the Theatrical version.

Elf Girl · 03-02-2002, 04:17 PM

Arwen gave Frodo a necklace, yeah, but I don't think there was any necklace that served the same purpose as the one in the movie.

Gerbil · 03-02-2002, 09:31 PM

That was my thought too CBG - that this represents the elessar.
Although, if that's the case, is this the original or the duplicate?
And wasn't that not a necklace but in a headband, or is that only after Aragorn is made king and they remake it?

I'm confused............

Laurelyn · 03-02-2002, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Earenya
**So before big industry starts producing "Arwen's Necklace!" and selling cheap versions of them for $34.99

Ai, Too true!!!

Varda-Me · 03-02-2002, 11:17 PM

Didn't look like a big green emerald to me, which is what the Elessar is supposed to be. Looked to me like the top of an Avon perfume bottle - you know how they sometimes have those bottles with fancy tops. I've seen them for sale at garage sales for, like, 5 cents.

Feraway Hawkbriar · 03-02-2002, 11:29 PM

They are selling a sterling silver version of Arwen;s necklace at the official online LotR shop. Its quite nice, I would buy it, but I dont wear jewelry that much so there's not much point in doing so.

Renille · 03-03-2002, 01:02 AM

It reminds me of the medical symbol that you see on ambulances and the like. If it DOES represents the Elessar, then it's WAY off the story-line. Though I suppose, no one would know except readers. Did they call it something other than "the necklace" in the movie? If so,I didn't quite catch it...

luinilwen · 03-03-2002, 02:52 AM

i want a gimli beard. i often find myself pensively stroking my chin and it would be a lot more fun with a braid on my chin.

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-04-2002, 09:48 PM

In the books (ROTK, Many Partings) Arwen says:
'A gift I will give you. For I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him now when he departs to the Havens; for mine is the choice of Luthien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter. But in my stead you shall go, Ring-bearer, when the time comes, and if you then desire it. If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West, until all your wounds and weariness are healed. But wear this now in memory of Elfstone and Evenstar with whom your life has been woven!'
And she took a white gem like a star that lay upon her breast hanging upon a silver chain, and she set the chain about Frodo's neck, 'When the memory of the fear and the darkness troubles you,' she said, 'this will bring you aid.'

So my question is: If Arwen has already given this necklace to Aragorn in FOTR, how does Frodo finally get it? How will they do this? This is what represents Arwen's gift to Frodo,... but Aragorn has it!! I don't understand PJ's decision to do that.

And speaking of gems! Where is Aragorn's Green gem?

englishnerd · 11-04-2002, 11:18 PM

exactly what I was thinking, Eowyn! possibly the elfstone is replaced by the prominent placement of Aragorn's signet ring of Gondor?

BeardofPants · 11-05-2002, 03:12 AM

I imagined the necklace as a visual representation of Arwen giving up her immortality. *shrug* I don't think it's meant to "take over" Elessar.

Hopefully Elessar will turn up in the extended version....

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-05-2002, 03:17 AM

So is Aragorn going to end up being the biggest bespangled and decked out Pimp-King ever to come out of Arnor, or what??

Let's see.... he has:

- The ring of Barahir (given to him by Elrond)
- Arwen's pendant
- Signet ring of Gondor
- The Sceptre of Annuminas (same as the Sceptre of Arnor??)
- The Crown of Gondor (The crown of Earnur)
- Some Star on a silver band - that I guess he wears as a tiara
- The green gem (i'm not sure what that is,... been trying to find it. Is it the "Elfstone"? Is that why they call him that?)
- Anduril, the sword reforged.

What other kind of BLING BLING am I forgetting?

olsonm · 11-05-2002, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Eowyn of Rohan
- The green gem (i'm not sure what that is,... been trying to find it. Is it the "Elfstone"? Is that why they call him that?)

The Green gem is the Elessar (the Elfstone). Yep, that's why they call him that. Galadriel gave it to him in "Farewell to Lorien" from Arwen.

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-05-2002, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BeardofPants
I imagined the necklace as a visual representation of Arwen giving up her immortality. *shrug* I don't think it's meant to "take over" Elessar.

Hopefully Elessar will turn up in the extended version....

So is Elessar (meaning Elfstone?) the name of the green gem? Is the green stone/gem in the form of a broach? or???
I just thought Elessar was yet ANOTHER name for Strider, Aragorn son of Arathorn, called Estel "Hope" by the Eldar, Isuldur's heir, yadda yadda yadda....

If it's just another name for Aragorn (as I thought), I don't understand what you mean by "I don't think it's meant to 'take over' Elessar" (who said they thought it did - I didn't see that in the thread?)
Also then, I don't understand what you mean you hope "Elessar will turn up in the extended version".

Someone please help!
---------
Oh! I found the name of the "Star Tiara" thing he wears. Appendix A, The North-kingdom and the Dunedain, a couple of pages in, footnote #3:
"... in Arnor, whose kings wore no crown, but bore a single white gem, the Elendilmir, Star of Elendil, bound on their brows with a silver fillet. ..."

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-05-2002, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by olsonm
The Green gem is the Elessar (the Elfstone). Yep, that's why they call him that. Galadriel gave it to him in "Farewell to Lorien" from Arwen.

Aaaaaahhh!!
I SEE!! (said the blind man)
Thank you!

olsonm · 11-05-2002, 03:42 AM

Welcome!

03-02-2002, 12:25 PM	#1
Earenya Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Pinnath Gelin, formerly in Angaron... Posts: 228	Arwen's necklace... **So before big industry starts producing "Arwen's Necklace!" and selling cheap versions of them for $34.99 a pop, I have a question: Is there anything in the books about her necklace? Eowyn's, yes, but Arwen? Or was that simply an idea for the movie to illustrate the giving up of her immortal life? __________________ O mor henion i dhu Ely siriar, el sila Ai! Aniron.... Tiro! El eria e mor I 'lir en el luitha 'uren Ai! Aniron... FRODO LIVES!

03-02-2002, 12:39 PM	#2
Glorious Glorfindel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: im too doped up to remember Posts: 371	I don't remember Arwens necklace being mentioned in the book, it was probably one of those scenes to add an aditional storyline ontop of the first one. Y i do not know, especially as there r LOADS of different storylines going on already! __________________ A Elbereth Gilthonial Silivren penna miriel o menal aglar elenath Na-chaered palan-diriel o galadhremmin ennorath Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, si nef aearon! add a drop of lavander to milk. leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.

03-02-2002, 01:01 PM	#4
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Arwen gave frodo a necklace before they parted in Rohan in ROTK. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

03-02-2002, 04:17 PM	#6
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	Arwen gave Frodo a necklace, yeah, but I don't think there was any necklace that served the same purpose as the one in the movie. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

03-02-2002, 09:31 PM	#7
Gerbil Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 797	That was my thought too CBG - that this represents the elessar. Although, if that's the case, is this the original or the duplicate? And wasn't that not a necklace but in a headband, or is that only after Aragorn is made king and they remake it? I'm confused............ __________________ Gerbil gerbil@theburrow.co.uk

03-02-2002, 12:41 PM	#3
Glorious Glorfindel Elven Warrior Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: im too doped up to remember Posts: 371	Arwens necklace i saw an arwen necklace lookalike at e-bay but it woz like the shiny plastic which Barbies have, and it woz selling at sum ripoff price! __________________ A Elbereth Gilthonial Silivren penna miriel o menal aglar elenath Na-chaered palan-diriel o galadhremmin ennorath Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, si nef aearon! add a drop of lavander to milk. leave town with an orange and pretend you're laughing at it.

03-02-2002, 03:37 PM	#5
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	When I first saw the Movie, I thought that would be Peter Jacksons adaptation of the Elessar, as the giving of the gifts would be cut from the Theatrical version.

03-02-2002, 11:17 PM	#9
Varda-Me Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 40	Didn't look like a big green emerald to me, which is what the Elessar is supposed to be. Looked to me like the top of an Avon perfume bottle - you know how they sometimes have those bottles with fancy tops. I've seen them for sale at garage sales for, like, 5 cents.

03-02-2002, 11:29 PM	#10
Feraway Hawkbriar Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California Posts: 348	They are selling a sterling silver version of Arwen;s necklace at the official online LotR shop. Its quite nice, I would buy it, but I dont wear jewelry that much so there's not much point in doing so. __________________ "The barks goes ever on and on out from the dog where they began. He's out there crapping on my lawn. Till I hit him with my van."

03-03-2002, 01:02 AM	#11
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	It reminds me of the medical symbol that you see on ambulances and the like. If it DOES represents the Elessar, then it's WAY off the story-line. Though I suppose, no one would know except readers. Did they call it something other than "the necklace" in the movie? If so,I didn't quite catch it... __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

03-03-2002, 02:52 AM	#12
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	i want a gimli beard. i often find myself pensively stroking my chin and it would be a lot more fun with a braid on my chin.

11-04-2002, 09:48 PM	#13
Eowyn of Rohan Enting Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 73	In the books (ROTK, Many Partings) Arwen says: 'A gift I will give you. For I am the daughter of Elrond. I shall not go with him now when he departs to the Havens; for mine is the choice of Luthien, and as she so have I chosen, both the sweet and the bitter. But in my stead you shall go, Ring-bearer, when the time comes, and if you then desire it. If your hurts grieve you still and the memory of your burden is heavy, then you may pass into the West, until all your wounds and weariness are healed. But wear this now in memory of Elfstone and Evenstar with whom your life has been woven!' And she took a white gem like a star that lay upon her breast hanging upon a silver chain, and she set the chain about Frodo's neck, 'When the memory of the fear and the darkness troubles you,' she said, 'this will bring you aid.' So my question is: If Arwen has already given this necklace to Aragorn in FOTR, how does Frodo finally get it? How will they do this? This is what represents Arwen's gift to Frodo,... but Aragorn has it!! I don't understand PJ's decision to do that. And speaking of gems! Where is Aragorn's Green gem?

11-04-2002, 11:18 PM	#14
englishnerd Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 39	exactly what I was thinking, Eowyn! possibly the elfstone is replaced by the prominent placement of Aragorn's signet ring of Gondor? __________________ "Wrestle with me; I want to name you." **************************** "Have you ever tried to get up with a sprained dignity?"---Mrs. Who from A Wrinkle in Time

11-05-2002, 03:12 AM	#15
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I imagined the necklace as a visual representation of Arwen giving up her immortality. shrug I don't think it's meant to "take over" Elessar. Hopefully Elessar will turn up in the extended version.... __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

11-05-2002, 03:17 AM	#16
Eowyn of Rohan Enting Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 73	So is Aragorn going to end up being the biggest bespangled and decked out Pimp-King ever to come out of Arnor, or what?? Let's see.... he has: - The ring of Barahir (given to him by Elrond) - Arwen's pendant - Signet ring of Gondor - The Sceptre of Annuminas (same as the Sceptre of Arnor??) - The Crown of Gondor (The crown of Earnur) - Some Star on a silver band - that I guess he wears as a tiara - The green gem (i'm not sure what that is,... been trying to find it. Is it the "Elfstone"? Is that why they call him that?) - Anduril, the sword reforged. What other kind of BLING BLING am I forgetting?

11-05-2002, 03:42 AM	#20
olsonm Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: minneapolis MN Posts: 920	Welcome! __________________ Gandalf lives...oh and Frodo too. Haldir Lives!!!

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