upsetting.. well, at least to me

LuthienTinuviel · 02-03-2002, 02:17 PM

i just saw a pictar of Gil-Galad, at the last alliacne battle..

wasn't he elvish?
he:
had dark brown hair
brown eyes
and he was F-A-T

im probably wrong, so don't verbally beat me too badly.
i was just wondering.

Rána Eressëa · 02-03-2002, 02:27 PM

Not all Elves had blonde hair and blue eyes. Hello. Remember Elrond? Brown hair? And who says Elves can't pig out if they want

He probably just liked sweets or worked out a lot (being kinda big could be caused by either).

LuthienTinuviel · 02-03-2002, 02:35 PM

i know elrond and arwen had dark complexions, but wasn't that because Luthien, who they had descended from, was 'famous' for her dark complexion?
i didn't think that GG had descended from Luthein and beren, so.. i didn't mention it.
i guess (once more) my mental image was shattered by peter jackson

Rána Eressëa · 02-03-2002, 04:18 PM

We never did get a description of Gil-galad, did we?

LuthienTinuviel · 02-03-2002, 04:21 PM

no, we didn't... dern my colorful imagination

Foul_Dwimmerlaik · 02-03-2002, 04:21 PM

I don't think blonce hair was particularly prevalent among the Noldor...anyone know for sure?

mirrille · 02-03-2002, 04:23 PM

But isn't Gil-galad described as "fair"? or the "fairest king" or something like that?
To me that means pretty and,..well...fair, as in light coloured skin, hair, eyes.
Oh well, it can mean many things.

Rána Eressëa · 02-03-2002, 04:43 PM

"Gil-galad was an Elven-king.
Of him the harpers sadly sing:
the last whose realm was fair and free
between the Mountains and the Sea.

His sword was long, his lance was keen,
his shining helm afar was seen;
the countless stars of heaven's field
were mirrored in his silver shield.

But long ago he rode away,
and where he dwelleth none can say;
for into darkness fell his star
in Mordor where the shadows are."

Not even in his own lay do they give a description of him! No, I don't think they ever said he was "fair".

LuthienTinuviel · 02-03-2002, 04:50 PM

well just because of my dislike of PJ, im going to say that he did it wrong..

great, now i have to spend the next few days rebuilding my mental image

*goes to corner rocking and mumbling*

aldesign · 02-03-2002, 05:37 PM

im only up to the 8th chapter in ROTK (nearly half way)

so i dont know who GG is yet

booo hooo

FrodoFriend · 02-03-2002, 05:41 PM

Whatever . . . just another Elf.

Seriously, I don't think it says anywhere that Elves can't be brown haired/eyed, and since Gil Galad isn't described, it's open to interpretation.

For that matter, I thought Isildur was a little chubby too . . . doesn't make much sense for a guy who's supposed to have been fighting constantly.

***IronParrot*** · 02-23-2002, 02:30 AM

Isildur was buff.

Actually, in the four times I've seen the film, I haven't yet caught who was supposed to be Gil-galad...

Ërendil · 05-12-2002, 04:57 PM

I read somewhere that wood elves had black hair, so some people thought that Legolas had black hair.
I thought that Gil-Galad was the dark haired one at the begining of the movie and he didn't look fat to me. (Cirdan was the white haired one right?)

cassiopeia · 05-12-2002, 08:14 PM

I didn't catch Gil-Galad in the movie, but I always thought the all elves were good looking. Didn't one group of elves have blonde hair? The name has escaped me and I don't have any books handy.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-12-2002, 09:09 PM

a. He didn't look fat to me, he looked like he works out a lot
b. It took me about 5 viewings to finally see him
c. As I recall, only about a third of the elves had blonde hair
d. Also as I recall, they mostly had grey eyes
e. I've heard people say both...dark hair or light, but whatever, we don't have a descriptions (as with many of the characters) so I guess we don't get to know. Same with Legolas, but I figure since his father had 'golden' hair, he would too.

samwise of the shire · 05-12-2002, 11:10 PM

Gil-Galads in the first War scene? Funny I've seen the movie eight times and I never saw him. I did see a woman though twice so hey I guess that counts for something.

No Isildur's NOT tubby, neither is Elrond. It's SAURON who needs a diet. FrodoFriend pointed this out in one of her hilariously outrageously popular posts, that Sauron looks TUBBY. When he's looking at the Ring and holding it up, I have a hard time controlling my laughing and snorting.
I usually thought of Gil-Galad as having Black hair with Green-Golden eyes. Funny I can never seen the characters faces like the mouth and stuff but the eyes and hair ALWAYS imprint when I think about it. Weird.
Sam

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-13-2002, 01:50 AM

It took me a while to spot him, as I've said, and only after I'd seen pictures. Well, I'd seen him, I just didn't recongnize him as Gil-Galad. Anyway, I had to point him out to my friends.

Arathorn · 05-13-2002, 01:53 AM

I could never catch Gil-Galad in the battle scene; only in the "family shot" with Cirdan and Galadriel when she narrates "...3 were given to the elves.."

Eruviel Greenleaf · 05-13-2002, 02:00 AM

There's about three seconds of him in the battle, he has a spear and he's stabbing an orc or something, which is lying on the ground. But it's really fast. I think there's one other shot of him but I don't remember.

Finrod Felagund · 05-13-2002, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rána Eressëa
Not all Elves had blonde hair and blue eyes. Hello. Remember Elrond? Brown hair?

Well actually, read the Silmarillion. Only the Vanyar and the house of Finarfin were blonde (Finarfin's mom was a Vanya). The Noldor and Teleri/Sindar had dark hair, though I think the Teleri/Sindar were more silver haired than the Noldor. So really, I don't think Legolas should have been blonde.

02-03-2002, 02:17 PM	#1
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	upsetting.. well, at least to me i just saw a pictar of Gil-Galad, at the last alliacne battle.. wasn't he elvish? he: had dark brown hair brown eyes and he was F-A-T im probably wrong, so don't verbally beat me too badly. i was just wondering. __________________

02-03-2002, 02:27 PM	#2
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Not all Elves had blonde hair and blue eyes. Hello. Remember Elrond? Brown hair? And who says Elves can't pig out if they want He probably just liked sweets or worked out a lot (being kinda big could be caused by either). Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 02-03-2002 at 02:30 PM.

02-03-2002, 02:35 PM	#3
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i like pork i know elrond and arwen had dark complexions, but wasn't that because Luthien, who they had descended from, was 'famous' for her dark complexion? i didn't think that GG had descended from Luthein and beren, so.. i didn't mention it. i guess (once more) my mental image was shattered by peter jackson __________________

02-03-2002, 04:21 PM	#5
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i like pork no, we didn't... dern my colorful imagination __________________

02-03-2002, 04:21 PM	#6
Foul_Dwimmerlaik Enting Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 76	I don't think blonce hair was particularly prevalent among the Noldor...anyone know for sure? __________________ Come not between the Nazgul and his prey! Or he will not slay thee in thy turn. He will bear thee away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where thy flesh shall be devoured, and thy shrivelled mind be left naked to the lidless eye.

02-03-2002, 04:18 PM	#4
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	We never did get a description of Gil-galad, did we?

02-03-2002, 04:23 PM	#7
mirrille Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 479	But isn't Gil-galad described as "fair"? or the "fairest king" or something like that? To me that means pretty and,..well...fair, as in light coloured skin, hair, eyes. Oh well, it can mean many things.

02-03-2002, 04:43 PM	#8
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	"Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing: the last whose realm was fair and free between the Mountains and the Sea. His sword was long, his lance was keen, his shining helm afar was seen; the countless stars of heaven's field were mirrored in his silver shield. But long ago he rode away, and where he dwelleth none can say; for into darkness fell his star in Mordor where the shadows are." Not even in his own lay do they give a description of him! No, I don't think they ever said he was "fair". Last edited by Rána Eressëa : 02-03-2002 at 04:55 PM.

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LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	i like pork well just because of my dislike of PJ, im going to say that he did it wrong.. great, now i have to spend the next few days rebuilding my mental image goes to corner rocking and mumbling __________________

02-03-2002, 05:37 PM	#10
aldesign Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Uk Posts: 447	im only up to the 8th chapter in ROTK (nearly half way) so i dont know who GG is yet booo hooo

02-03-2002, 05:41 PM	#11
FrodoFriend Halfwitted Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Eryn Vorn Posts: 1,659	Whatever . . . just another Elf. Seriously, I don't think it says anywhere that Elves can't be brown haired/eyed, and since Gil Galad isn't described, it's open to interpretation. For that matter, I thought Isildur was a little chubby too . . . doesn't make much sense for a guy who's supposed to have been fighting constantly. __________________ Fingolfin lives! ... in my finger! The Crossroads of Arda - Warning. Halfwit content. Not appropriate for people with IQ of over 18. The Fellowship of the Message Board Nyáréonié - The Tale of Tears

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05-12-2002, 04:57 PM	#13
Ërendil Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 389	I read somewhere that wood elves had black hair, so some people thought that Legolas had black hair. I thought that Gil-Galad was the dark haired one at the begining of the movie and he didn't look fat to me. (Cirdan was the white haired one right?) __________________ "You're one of the Abaharaki, oh I had forgotten. Look at me, I am completly drenched! I do hate the rain, it makes me so depressed..." "Hehehehe, moeru moeru!" "That's it, set it all on fire; we're gonna smoke out Escaflowne!" "Oh, I hit the wrong target... never mind that creature was useless to us anyway. Our orders were to get the girl? So he isn't our concern, we don't need him!" ^_^ Isn't Dilandau just fantastic? You just have to love the insane, murderous pyro :-D

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cassiopeia Viggoholic Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 1,749	I didn't catch Gil-Galad in the movie, but I always thought the all elves were good looking. Didn't one group of elves have blonde hair? The name has escaped me and I don't have any books handy. __________________ Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

05-12-2002, 09:09 PM	#15
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	a. He didn't look fat to me, he looked like he works out a lot b. It took me about 5 viewings to finally see him c. As I recall, only about a third of the elves had blonde hair d. Also as I recall, they mostly had grey eyes e. I've heard people say both...dark hair or light, but whatever, we don't have a descriptions (as with many of the characters) so I guess we don't get to know. Same with Legolas, but I figure since his father had 'golden' hair, he would too. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

05-12-2002, 11:10 PM	#16
samwise of the shire Radically Tolkienited Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: If home is where the heart is, and my heart is in heaven...that should answer your question. <+>< Posts: 967	Gil-Galads in the first War scene? Funny I've seen the movie eight times and I never saw him. I did see a woman though twice so hey I guess that counts for something. No Isildur's NOT tubby, neither is Elrond. It's SAURON who needs a diet. FrodoFriend pointed this out in one of her hilariously outrageously popular posts, that Sauron looks TUBBY. When he's looking at the Ring and holding it up, I have a hard time controlling my laughing and snorting. I usually thought of Gil-Galad as having Black hair with Green-Golden eyes. Funny I can never seen the characters faces like the mouth and stuff but the eyes and hair ALWAYS imprint when I think about it. Weird. Sam __________________ Jesus is my all in all <><+<><+<><+<><+<><+<><+ People who are so concerned with escapism do have a name...we call them jailers. ~J.R.R Tolkien Radically Saved, Totally Tolkienited GOD... BLESS... AMERICA...

05-13-2002, 01:50 AM	#17
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	It took me a while to spot him, as I've said, and only after I'd seen pictures. Well, I'd seen him, I just didn't recongnize him as Gil-Galad. Anyway, I had to point him out to my friends. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!

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Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I could never catch Gil-Galad in the battle scene; only in the "family shot" with Cirdan and Galadriel when she narrates "...3 were given to the elves.." __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

05-13-2002, 02:00 AM	#19
Eruviel Greenleaf Alcoholic Villain-Fancying Elf Pirate Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Lyonesse Posts: 4,547	There's about three seconds of him in the battle, he has a spear and he's stabbing an orc or something, which is lying on the ground. But it's really fast. I think there's one other shot of him but I don't remember. __________________ Eruviel Greenleaf in a past life. "Whoever has come to understand the world has found only a corpse, and whoever has found a corpse is superior to the world." -The Gospel of Thomas SQUAWK!