Book of Lost Tales

athelas · 01-28-2002, 07:23 AM

Im just curious about this book, as I saw it at the school library before. What is it about? Is it worth reading?

barrelrider110 · 01-28-2002, 11:28 AM

I highly recommend The Book of Lost Tales if you have already read the Hobbit, LOTR and the Silmarillion. There are stories from the first, second and third ages. There is a story about Gandalf's choice of Bilbo as the burgalar in Hobbit; The Disaster of the Gladden Fields, how Isuldur lost the ring; stories about Numenor; Galadriel, etc. It's a must read for any Tolkien fan, however as prev. stated must read the original works first.

Happy reading!

barrelrider110.

ragamuffin92 · 01-28-2002, 11:50 AM

But how does "Lost Tales" (which I haven't read yet) differ from "Unfinished Tales," (which I HAVE Read)?

barrelrider110 · 01-28-2002, 11:54 AM

Sorry Ragamuffin, I believe I have confused the two. Lost tales is mostly first age if I remember correctly, I read bits and pieces of LT some time ago, and frankly have forgotten most of it.

Please accept my apology.

ragamuffin92 · 01-28-2002, 12:08 PM

Oh, no problem, barrelrider110. I get the peripheral Tolkien books confused all the time.

Findegil · 01-29-2002, 08:55 AM

Okay ragamuffin92,

I will recomend The Bock of Lost Tales. In it are told the first version of the storys told in The Simarillion. Some of them are greatly changed and all told in totally diverent maner. In special you will find a middleman called Eriol, a Man whom all the stories are told during his sojourn on Eressea, the Lonley Isle of the Elves.
The first Volume ends with the awaekening of Man from Valinor and the battle of unnumbered tears which are both only told in short but the rest of the Tales are told in full. So the second one covers the storys of Beren and Lúthien, Túrin and the dargon, Tuor and the fall of Gondolin, the Neglace of the dwarves (the Nauglafring) which are all told in full and the story of Earendil and the end of the elfish relam of Eressea which are only at the state of rough sketch.

Best Regards
Findegil

athelas · 01-29-2002, 02:59 PM

Thanks everyone!

I'll try to find it after I finish the Silmarillion. (I bet it is still hiding in the same dusty corner. Not many Tolkien fans in school anyway.

)

ragamuffin92 · 01-29-2002, 03:23 PM

Do you (or anyone else) know whether "Lost Tales" was the pre-trilogy version of the Silmarillion, which Professor T was trying to get published after The Hobbit? Just curious...

Ñólendil · 01-29-2002, 06:51 PM

The Book of Lost Tales is the older mythology -- made for England -- which was revised and reshaped by J. R. R. Tolkien into what he came to call The Silmarillion. It's a very different mythology that contradicts The Silmarillion on many different levels, taking place in a rather different world.

Findegil · 02-01-2002, 11:21 PM

I don't think it is a diffrent world, at least I can't agree whit that with out an expalnation what do you mean, Inoldonil.

The Version you search for ,ragamuffin92, is named the Quenta Silmarillion and is published in Volume 5 of The History of Middle-Earth: The Lost Road and other writings

It resembels the posthume published The Silmarillion much more then do The Bock of Lost Tales.

Regards
Findegil

ragamuffin92 · 02-01-2002, 11:32 PM

Thanks, Findegil

Ñólendil · 02-02-2002, 12:59 AM

"I don't think it is a diffrent world, at least I can't agree whit that with out an expalnation what do you mean, Inoldonil."

Both the Book of Lost Tales and The Silmarillion takes place in our world, mostly on our beloved Earth, true. But BoLT and TS none the less are two very different takes on our beloved Earth. The laws are different, the history is different, the mythology is different.

Findegil · 02-02-2002, 06:25 AM

Now we are in one mind.

Regards
Findegil

01-28-2002, 07:23 AM	#1
athelas Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Twilight Meres Posts: 87	Book of Lost Tales Im just curious about this book, as I saw it at the school library before. What is it about? Is it worth reading? __________________ Farewell sweet earth and nortern sky, for ever blest,since here did lie and here with lissom limbs did run beneath the Moon, beneath the Sun, Lùthien Tinùviel more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Though all to ruin fell the world and were dissolved and backward hurled unmade into old abyss, yet were its making good, for this-- the dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea-- that Lùthien for a time should be. "I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."-Frodo FRODO LIVES!!! (erm...Sam does too, right?)

01-28-2002, 11:50 AM	#3
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	But how does "Lost Tales" (which I haven't read yet) differ from "Unfinished Tales," (which I HAVE Read)? __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-28-2002, 12:08 PM	#5
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Oh, no problem, barrelrider110. I get the peripheral Tolkien books confused all the time. __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-29-2002, 02:59 PM	#7
athelas Enting Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Twilight Meres Posts: 87	Thanks everyone! I'll try to find it after I finish the Silmarillion. (I bet it is still hiding in the same dusty corner. Not many Tolkien fans in school anyway. ) __________________ Farewell sweet earth and nortern sky, for ever blest,since here did lie and here with lissom limbs did run beneath the Moon, beneath the Sun, Lùthien Tinùviel more fair than mortal tongue can tell. Though all to ruin fell the world and were dissolved and backward hurled unmade into old abyss, yet were its making good, for this-- the dusk, the dawn, the earth, the sea-- that Lùthien for a time should be. "I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."-Frodo FRODO LIVES!!! (erm...Sam does too, right?)

01-29-2002, 03:23 PM	#8
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Oh, Findegil... Do you (or anyone else) know whether "Lost Tales" was the pre-trilogy version of the Silmarillion, which Professor T was trying to get published after The Hobbit? Just curious... __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

01-28-2002, 11:28 AM	#2
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	I highly recommend The Book of Lost Tales if you have already read the Hobbit, LOTR and the Silmarillion. There are stories from the first, second and third ages. There is a story about Gandalf's choice of Bilbo as the burgalar in Hobbit; The Disaster of the Gladden Fields, how Isuldur lost the ring; stories about Numenor; Galadriel, etc. It's a must read for any Tolkien fan, however as prev. stated must read the original works first. Happy reading! barrelrider110.

01-28-2002, 11:54 AM	#4
barrelrider110 Peer of the realm of Sanguine Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Hill, Marlton, NJ Posts: 798	Sorry Ragamuffin, I believe I have confused the two. Lost tales is mostly first age if I remember correctly, I read bits and pieces of LT some time ago, and frankly have forgotten most of it. Please accept my apology.

01-29-2002, 08:55 AM	#6
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	Okay ragamuffin92, I will recomend The Bock of Lost Tales. In it are told the first version of the storys told in The Simarillion. Some of them are greatly changed and all told in totally diverent maner. In special you will find a middleman called Eriol, a Man whom all the stories are told during his sojourn on Eressea, the Lonley Isle of the Elves. The first Volume ends with the awaekening of Man from Valinor and the battle of unnumbered tears which are both only told in short but the rest of the Tales are told in full. So the second one covers the storys of Beren and Lúthien, Túrin and the dargon, Tuor and the fall of Gondolin, the Neglace of the dwarves (the Nauglafring) which are all told in full and the story of Earendil and the end of the elfish relam of Eressea which are only at the state of rough sketch. Best Regards Findegil

01-29-2002, 06:51 PM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	The Book of Lost Tales is the older mythology -- made for England -- which was revised and reshaped by J. R. R. Tolkien into what he came to call The Silmarillion. It's a very different mythology that contradicts The Silmarillion on many different levels, taking place in a rather different world. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-01-2002, 11:21 PM	#10
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	I don't think it is a diffrent world, at least I can't agree whit that with out an expalnation what do you mean, Inoldonil. The Version you search for ,ragamuffin92, is named the Quenta Silmarillion and is published in Volume 5 of The History of Middle-Earth: The Lost Road and other writings It resembels the posthume published The Silmarillion much more then do The Bock of Lost Tales. Regards Findegil

02-01-2002, 11:32 PM	#11
ragamuffin92 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New York State Posts: 309	Thanks, Findegil __________________ FRODO LIVES!! (sung to the tune of "My Boyfriend's Back") Now, Gandalf's back, and you're gonna be in trouble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back) Soon, Barad-dur is gonna be a pile of rubble (Hey-la, hey-la---Now, Gandalf's back)

02-02-2002, 12:59 AM	#12
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	"I don't think it is a diffrent world, at least I can't agree whit that with out an expalnation what do you mean, Inoldonil." Both the Book of Lost Tales and The Silmarillion takes place in our world, mostly on our beloved Earth, true. But BoLT and TS none the less are two very different takes on our beloved Earth. The laws are different, the history is different, the mythology is different. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

02-02-2002, 06:25 AM	#13
Findegil Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Geilenkirchen, Germany Posts: 192	Now we are in one mind. Regards Findegil

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