Curunir

nobody · 01-18-2002, 05:14 PM

Curunir means the man of skill, right, and is Saruman`s elf name. So the name Nan Curunir should have a Saruman in it when it`s translated. So why is it called wizard`s vale?

Kirinki54 · 01-18-2002, 05:42 PM

Perhaps because Saruman was a wizard, an Istari?

Kevin McIntyre · 01-19-2002, 02:13 AM

Saruman is not a translation of Curunir. Just as Gandalf had many names so too does Saruman.

CardenIAntauraNauco · 01-19-2002, 12:37 PM

Agreed. Their not translations their just names given by different races to one being.

Ã‘Ã³lendil · 01-20-2002, 03:38 PM

But the names have the same meaning (pretty much). Curu means 'cunning', and nÃ*r means 'man'. Saruman means the same thing. 'CurunÃ*r' doesn't mean 'Wizard'. 'Wizard's Vale' is thus just a loose translation. The Rohirrim may not have known what CurunÃ*r meant anyway, as it's Sindarin, but they knew the master of Isengard was a Wizard.

luinilwen · 01-21-2002, 08:33 AM

wizardry IS a skill

all sillyness aside, i agree with inoldonil.

markedel · 01-24-2002, 09:24 PM

Wizard's vale is a loose translation of the Westron, which in turn is a translation of Sindarin. Tolkein said his "translation" go for the spirit, not the direct meaning.

01-18-2002, 05:14 PM	#1
nobody Sapling Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2	Curunir Curunir means the man of skill, right, and is Saruman`s elf name. So the name Nan Curunir should have a Saruman in it when it`s translated. So why is it called wizard`s vale?

01-18-2002, 05:42 PM	#2
Kirinki54 Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: European Union Posts: 463	Perhaps because Saruman was a wizard, an Istari? __________________ 'They need more gardens,' said Legolas. 'The houses are dead, and there is too little here that grows and is glad. If Aragorn comes into his own, the people of the Wood shall bring him birds that sing and trees that do not die.'

01-19-2002, 12:37 PM	#4
CardenIAntauraNauco Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: rural oklahoma Posts: 324	Agreed. Their not translations their just names given by different races to one being. __________________ "We will have peace","Yes we will have peace...we will have peace when you and all your works have perished - and the works of your dark lord to whom you would deliver us. You are a liar,Saruman,and a corrupter of men's hearts. You hold out your hand to me and I percieve only a finger of the claw of Mordor. Cruel and cold! Even if your war on me was just - as it was not,for were you ten times as wise you would have no right to rule me and mine, for your own profit you desired-even so, what will you say of your Torches in westfold and the children that lie dead there? And they hewed Hama's body before the gates of Hornburg, after he was dead. When you hang from a gibbet at your window for the sport of your own crows, I will have peace with you and Orthanc. So much for the House of Eorl. A lesser son of greater Sires am I, but I do not need to lick your fingers. Turn elsewither for I fear your voice has lost it's charm.

01-20-2002, 03:38 PM	#5
Ã‘Ã³lendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	But the names have the same meaning (pretty much). Curu means 'cunning', and nÃr* means 'man'. Saruman means the same thing. 'CurunÃr' doesn't mean 'Wizard'. 'Wizard's Vale' is thus just a loose translation. The Rohirrim may not have known what CurunÃr meant anyway, as it's Sindarin, but they knew the master of Isengard was a Wizard. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-19-2002, 02:13 AM	#3
Kevin McIntyre Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Bree Posts: 148	Saruman is not a translation of Curunir. Just as Gandalf had many names so too does Saruman.

01-21-2002, 08:33 AM	#6
luinilwen Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA Posts: 368	wizardry IS a skill all sillyness aside, i agree with inoldonil.

01-24-2002, 09:24 PM	#7
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Wizard's vale is a loose translation of the Westron, which in turn is a translation of Sindarin. Tolkein said his "translation" go for the spirit, not the direct meaning.