Pronounce this and ...

Marille · 01-13-2002, 07:20 PM

Can someone pronounce this for me, and I have a question, what if you wanted to had a "s" on to a word and wanted to make it plural how would you do it in Elvish? Like what word or letter would you add on?

Anyway heres the word ....

Maegluinhén

Darth Tater · 01-13-2002, 08:42 PM

I'm not sure about the plural thing but I believe the pronunciation is my ay glue een hane if that makes any sense

bropous · 01-13-2002, 10:20 PM

I would think, at least in some Elven languages, the plural is indicated by the addition of "i" at the end, such as in "Avari" or "Teleri."

I could very well be wrong, I am no Elven linguist.

Michael Martinez · 01-14-2002, 12:55 AM

Maeg luin hen are three Sindarin words, and if you are trying to combine them into a name, it would mean something like "sharp (glance)" + "blue" +"eye". Piercing blue eye, I suppose, is what you're after. I think the plural form may be made by adding "-nath": Maegluinhennath.

You probably want to check out Helge Fauskanger's Ardalambion site to learn more about the rules of Elvish:

http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/

He deals more with Quenya than with Sindarin. David Salo is probably the leading expert on Sindarin. He and his wife Dorothea founded the Elfling mailing list:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/

It's a very intense linguistic environment, but you may get some help there, if you're not satisfied with the answers here. There are some true scholars there, and some unpleasant people, so your mileage may vary.

Ñólendil · 01-14-2002, 03:07 AM

I'm altogether unfamiliar with Sindarin plurals, but in Quenya you can make a word plural by adding an 'r' onto the end if the word ends in a vowel (unless it ends in 'e', in which case the 'e' is usually replaced with an 'i'). If the word ends in a consonant, just add an 'i' on to it.

Thus the plural of ráma ('wing') is rámar ('wings'), the plural of Quendë ('Elf') is Quendi ('Elves'), and Atan ('Man') is Atani ('Men').

I think it's much more complicated in Sindarin.

Marille · 01-14-2002, 04:03 AM

Thanks guys!

Yes "piercing blue eyes" is what I was going for. Because my friend who is semi-interested in Tolkien wanted me to translate what she wanted to be her Elvish name LOL,she told me she wanted it to mean that. Yeah her eyes are blue, but I don't know how "piercing" they are . LOL!

Michael Martinez · 01-14-2002, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by Marille
Thanks guys! Yes "piercing blue eyes" is what I was going for. Because my friend who is semi-interested in Tolkien wanted me to translate what she wanted to be her Elvish name LOL,she told me she wanted it to mean that. Yeah her eyes are blue, but I don't know how "piercing" they are . LOL!

Far be it from me to judge the lady's looks, but I think the name is unwieldy. She may want to seek something more concise, possibly with a poetic allusion to piercing blue eyes. "Tinuviel" means "daughter of the twilight", for example, but it's a name for the nightingale bird. It became one of Luthien's nicknames.

bropous · 01-14-2002, 11:32 AM

Marille, good on you for taking the initiative of piecing this name together for your friend, and don't change it; it is a fine name, and in need of no editing, nor of further "poeticization." It's beautiful as is. Well done.

However, poor lady if she DOES have "piercing blue eyes".....has to be extremely uncomfortable for her eyelids! *wink!*

Laurelyn · 01-25-2002, 06:25 PM

I'm clueless on this one. . . but the info and pronuciation is cool.

Wayfarer · 01-26-2002, 04:45 PM

I would pronounce it 'Mag loon hen', but then, I'm a dunderhead.

You would be perfectly justified in snippin goff the 'hen'. After all, 'maeg' is 'sharp glance' and so 'maegluin' would be 'sharp blue glance' or, figuratively 'piercing blue eyes'.

It's a bit easier to pronounce/say, as well. ]: )

~Ersaeliphant,
Resident Linguistic Dunderhead, and Name Translator Extroidinaire,

Marille · 01-28-2002, 02:55 PM

Thanks everyone!

cian · 03-13-2002, 12:39 PM

For possible interests sake, the name Maeglin "Sharp-glance" derives from elements (according to War of the Jewels):

mik pierce ... maiká sharp, penetrating. Compare Quenya Hendumaika "Sharp-eye", Sindarin maecheneb

and

glim gleam, glint (usually of fine slender but bright shafts of light) Particularly applied to light of eyes. Compare S. glintha- "glance (at)", glînn

---------------
Gwaew ciriel be vegil maeg
"Wind cutting as a sharp sword."
(David Salo)

01-13-2002, 07:20 PM	#1
Marille Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA, GA Posts: 19	Pronounce this and ... Can someone pronounce this for me, and I have a question, what if you wanted to had a "s" on to a word and wanted to make it plural how would you do it in Elvish? Like what word or letter would you add on? Anyway heres the word .... Maegluinhén __________________ Gandalf- "Enough! For I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

01-13-2002, 08:42 PM	#2
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	I'm not sure about the plural thing but I believe the pronunciation is my ay glue een hane if that makes any sense __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

01-13-2002, 10:20 PM	#3
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	I would think, at least in some Elven languages, the plural is indicated by the addition of "i" at the end, such as in "Avari" or "Teleri." I could very well be wrong, I am no Elven linguist. __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-14-2002, 12:55 AM	#4
Michael Martinez Elven Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2000 Posts: 892	Maeg luin hen are three Sindarin words, and if you are trying to combine them into a name, it would mean something like "sharp (glance)" + "blue" +"eye". Piercing blue eye, I suppose, is what you're after. I think the plural form may be made by adding "-nath": Maegluinhennath. You probably want to check out Helge Fauskanger's Ardalambion site to learn more about the rules of Elvish: http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/ He deals more with Quenya than with Sindarin. David Salo is probably the leading expert on Sindarin. He and his wife Dorothea founded the Elfling mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/ It's a very intense linguistic environment, but you may get some help there, if you're not satisfied with the answers here. There are some true scholars there, and some unpleasant people, so your mileage may vary. __________________ http://www.xenite.org/faqs/lotr_movie/ http://www.michael-martinez.com/ http://www.merp.com/essays/MichaelMartinez/ Last edited by Michael Martinez : 01-14-2002 at 12:56 AM.

01-14-2002, 03:07 AM	#5
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	I'm altogether unfamiliar with Sindarin plurals, but in Quenya you can make a word plural by adding an 'r' onto the end if the word ends in a vowel (unless it ends in 'e', in which case the 'e' is usually replaced with an 'i'). If the word ends in a consonant, just add an 'i' on to it. Thus the plural of ráma ('wing') is rámar ('wings'), the plural of Quendë ('Elf') is Quendi ('Elves'), and Atan ('Man') is Atani ('Men'). I think it's much more complicated in Sindarin. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

01-14-2002, 04:03 AM	#6
Marille Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA, GA Posts: 19	Thanks guys! Yes "piercing blue eyes" is what I was going for. Because my friend who is semi-interested in Tolkien wanted me to translate what she wanted to be her Elvish name LOL,she told me she wanted it to mean that. Yeah her eyes are blue, but I don't know how "piercing" they are . LOL! __________________ Gandalf- "Enough! For I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

01-14-2002, 11:32 AM	#8
bropous EIDRIORCQWSDAKLMED DCWWTIWOATTOPWFIO Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Littleton, CO Posts: 1,176	Marille, good on you for taking the initiative of piecing this name together for your friend, and don't change it; it is a fine name, and in need of no editing, nor of further "poeticization." It's beautiful as is. Well done. However, poor lady if she DOES have "piercing blue eyes".....has to be extremely uncomfortable for her eyelids! wink! __________________ "...[The Lord of the Rings] is to exemplify most clearly a recurrent theme: the place in 'world politics' of the unforeseen and unforeseeable acts of will, and deeds of virtue of the apparently small, ungreat, fogotten in the places of the Wise and Great (good as well as evil). A moral of the whole (after the primary symbolism of the Ring, as the will to mere power, seeking to make itself objective by physical force and mechanism, and so also inevitably by lies) is the obvious one that without the high and noble the simple and vulgar is utterly mean; and without the simple and ordinary the noble and heroic is meaningless." Letters of JRR Tolkien, page 160.

01-25-2002, 06:25 PM	#9
Laurelyn Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Valinor, right next to Telperion . . . what did you expect, Michigan? Posts: 1,315	I'm clueless on this one. . . but the info and pronuciation is cool. __________________ The Third Age of Entmoot has begun. Angel of music, guide and guardian! Grant to me your glory! The country I eat and spend the day in is by no means the country I sleep and dream in. Define patriotism. Hold the boat, you spastic monkey! ~ Elenka

01-26-2002, 04:45 PM	#10
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I would pronounce it 'Mag loon hen', but then, I'm a dunderhead. You would be perfectly justified in snippin goff the 'hen'. After all, 'maeg' is 'sharp glance' and so 'maegluin' would be 'sharp blue glance' or, figuratively 'piercing blue eyes'. It's a bit easier to pronounce/say, as well. ]: ) ~Ersaeliphant, Resident Linguistic Dunderhead, and Name Translator Extroidinaire, __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

01-28-2002, 02:55 PM	#11
Marille Hobbit Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: USA, GA Posts: 19	Thanks everyone! __________________ Gandalf- "Enough! For I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means me!"

03-13-2002, 12:39 PM	#12
cian Enting Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 78	For possible interests sake, the name Maeglin "Sharp-glance" derives from elements (according to War of the Jewels): mik pierce ... maiká sharp, penetrating. Compare Quenya Hendumaika "Sharp-eye", Sindarin maecheneb and glim gleam, glint (usually of fine slender but bright shafts of light) Particularly applied to light of eyes. Compare S. glintha- "glance (at)", glînn --------------- Gwaew ciriel be vegil maeg "Wind cutting as a sharp sword." (David Salo) Last edited by cian : 03-13-2002 at 12:49 PM.

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