a new nemesis

afro-elf · 11-20-2001, 07:08 AM

what are some possible new threats that COULD happen in ME in the 4th age for some good fanfic or rpg?

what about the blue wizards?

what if one turns evil and the other fights against him?

what it BOTH turn evil and radaghast must waken his truer power

was the mouth of sauron killed?

any other ideas?

what if tesseract 12 finally snaps about being called a hobbit and not an Elf and becomes the new dark lord?

oh, the horror!!!!!

afro-elf · 11-20-2001, 07:26 AM

i guess the trollshaws, the withered heath and the area that comprised of angmar could still be dangerous. perhaps moria too.

Comic Book Guy · 11-20-2001, 08:30 PM

Tolkien once started to make a sequel to the Lord of the rings based in the Fourth Age during the reign of Aragorns son. I've never read it nor do I know what it is about, but its does sound interesting.

Ñólendil · 11-20-2001, 11:17 PM

Tolkien never got beyond the first few pages. He said a ' "thriller" ' was not worth doing.

It was set in the Hills of Emyn Arnen in Gondor, 220 years into the Fourth Age (100 years after the death of Elessar), the main character (or so I assume he is) was a descendent of Beregond. The 'New Shadow' appears to be something or someone named Herumor ('Dark-lord'), the beginner of a Satanic cult. That name had been used by Tolkien before -- of a rebellious South Gondorian.

What there is of the story I like very much. It has left many to wonder many things, such as what 'the Dark Tree' refers to, or the 'old evil'.

Comic Book Guy · 11-21-2001, 03:29 PM

Great, now I'll be day dreaming about that for weeks.

Wayfarer · 11-21-2001, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by Inoldonil
It has left many to wonder many things, such as what 'the Dark Tree' refers to.

Hey, Dylan. remember my Flag of Herumor design?

http://cgi.mevault.ign.com/display/d...ckTree1_sm.jpg

Edit: Strange... the URL code isn't working.

Ñólendil · 11-21-2001, 06:07 PM

It works for me.

I've been wondering about that flag. Looks pretty good, though I think the skull could be done better. It would benefit from colour, probably.

Wayfarer · 11-21-2001, 06:33 PM

I have trouble with skulls. So sue me. Maybe I could get blackheart to do a model for me.

And yes... I'm going to redo it in colour.

Actually... I'll prolly do a real flag render. I did one of the blighted alliance flag... it looks real nice.

Ñólendil · 11-21-2001, 06:37 PM

Oh yes, you have to send me the revision! I really liked the BA banner. Btw, that old e-mail you sent me; where I had to guess the place -- it won't let me download it.

Lelondul · 11-21-2001, 06:43 PM

We've pontificated on this extensively in the past at the mevault boards that I regularly haunt. The blue Istari regularly come up as potential antagonists, remember Shelob is still around, and this Huremor is quite interesting too.

A quite extensive peice of fan fiction (the work of over a year's worth of effort of which Wayfarer is quite familiar

) was also written at the Stilted Pony Rp'ing board of the Vault Network regarding the 4th age which took many cues from this new evil which is described in the "Peoples of Middle Earth". It was written with a focus on the unexplored east of Middle-earth, though Pallando the Blue was an aid in fighting the satanic cults of the Mouth of Sauron who, through Necromancy had sustained his life much beyond that of mortal man....

This was later disproven or deemed unlikely but the panel of experts there, but made for an interesting tale no less...

Wayfarer · 11-21-2001, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by Inoldonil
that old e-mail you sent me; where I had to guess the place -- it won't let me download it.

Huh?

Wayfarer · 11-21-2001, 06:53 PM

Sent you the new blight banner... BtB

afro-elf · 11-21-2001, 07:05 PM

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This was later disproven or deemed unlikely but the panel of experts there, but made for an interesting tale no less...

what was the major reason for their decision?

Ñólendil · 11-22-2001, 02:07 AM

By 'panel of experts' Lelondul meant I think 'most of the people who post there regularly that involved themselves in the survey & debate' concerning the storyline. We had what we called the Middle-earth Charter Council (MC2), that was putting together a charter with concept work we put together for Middle-earth Online -- a MMPORPG if you didn't know, to give to the new developers that Sierra Studios had hired (then unseen and mysterious). The Council was made up of Stewardships that had different responsibilities. Lelondul and one other poster called Morthoron (the Chairman and beginner of the Council) were the Stewards of History & Storyline.

What I have read of that epic story on the Stilted Pony was indeed quite good (for fan fiction, noone claimed to be professional writers, and the Lord of the Rings is difficult to follow up). Personally, my main objection was discord with some of Tolkien's work: the time period the story took place in and the implications of that (in my opinion) huge problem. Since Lelondul mentioned it, I also follow the later Blue Wizard idea of Tolkiens: that they were not corrupted.

The idea was to introduce a lot of the Pony stuff into the Council material, you understand.

afro-elf · 11-22-2001, 04:58 AM

i actually like the idea of NOT having the blue wizards corrupted

it gives the elves dwarves and men of eastern and southern ME a chance to have

heroes of their own

actually with the down fall of Sauron they can now move west and north

in another thread which I don't recall

you mention

1) the blue wizards came with glorfindel in the second age
2) there mission was different
3) they were going to different parts

my questions are

wasn't there something about them going east with sarauman and not returning

is that just an earlier idea?

any idea what their mission was?

or which parts they left for?

and finally where is this info located?

a thanks before hand

afro-elf · 11-22-2001, 06:34 AM

with what you posted and wayfarer's rhosglawellon

i've got the parts that i need

the grey elves were called so because they were tutored by melian, thingol, and osse via via cirdan

there could be a tribe of rhosglawellon that have been tutored under the blue wizards so they may more along the lines of the sindar

and have with the fall of sauron have sought to explore the west or north

thanks my friends

my 4th age character is now set. i just have to wait for decipher to get it out in the spring

Comic Book Guy · 11-22-2001, 03:09 PM

The blue wizards mission was most probally to aid the lands east of Mordor, Tolkien's early idea was that the Blue Wizards abandoned their mission and started up magic cults that outlasted the fall of Sauron, later Sauron decided that they would become 'Darkness Slayer' and 'East helper' and they stayed faithful to their Mission. The best information on the Blue Istari is the the essay on the Istari in Unfinished tales.

The fact that Shelob is still alive probally caused the Army of Gondor to kill her during Aragorns reign or Eldarions, with a bit of difficulty. Also she could still breed offspring.

Inoldonil, what do you mean by a 'Thriller' would be worth doing?

afro-elf · 11-22-2001, 08:32 PM

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, later Sauron decided that they would become 'Darkness Slayer' and 'East helper' and they stayed faithful to their Mission.

tolkien is sauron

wow

a funny typo

thanks for the info

which was which

pallando and i forgot the other ones name

Comic Book Guy · 11-22-2001, 08:40 PM

Thank you afro elf, I'll think i'll keep the typo for humurous purposes. The other Wizards name is Alatar.

afro-elf · 11-22-2001, 08:49 PM

thanks

was alatar darkness slayer or east helper?

11-20-2001, 07:08 AM	#1
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	a new nemesis what are some possible new threats that COULD happen in ME in the 4th age for some good fanfic or rpg? what about the blue wizards? what if one turns evil and the other fights against him? what it BOTH turn evil and radaghast must waken his truer power was the mouth of sauron killed? any other ideas? what if tesseract 12 finally snaps about being called a hobbit and not an Elf and becomes the new dark lord? oh, the horror!!!!! __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

11-20-2001, 07:26 AM	#2
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i guess the trollshaws, the withered heath and the area that comprised of angmar could still be dangerous. perhaps moria too. __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

11-20-2001, 11:17 PM	#4
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Tolkien never got beyond the first few pages. He said a ' "thriller" ' was not worth doing. It was set in the Hills of Emyn Arnen in Gondor, 220 years into the Fourth Age (100 years after the death of Elessar), the main character (or so I assume he is) was a descendent of Beregond. The 'New Shadow' appears to be something or someone named Herumor ('Dark-lord'), the beginner of a Satanic cult. That name had been used by Tolkien before -- of a rebellious South Gondorian. What there is of the story I like very much. It has left many to wonder many things, such as what 'the Dark Tree' refers to, or the 'old evil'. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-21-2001, 06:07 PM	#7
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	It works for me. I've been wondering about that flag. Looks pretty good, though I think the skull could be done better. It would benefit from colour, probably. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-21-2001, 06:33 PM	#8
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	I have trouble with skulls. So sue me. Maybe I could get blackheart to do a model for me. And yes... I'm going to redo it in colour. Actually... I'll prolly do a real flag render. I did one of the blighted alliance flag... it looks real nice. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-20-2001, 08:30 PM	#3
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Tolkien once started to make a sequel to the Lord of the rings based in the Fourth Age during the reign of Aragorns son. I've never read it nor do I know what it is about, but its does sound interesting.

11-21-2001, 03:29 PM	#5
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Great, now I'll be day dreaming about that for weeks.

11-21-2001, 06:37 PM	#9
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Oh yes, you have to send me the revision! I really liked the BA banner. Btw, that old e-mail you sent me; where I had to guess the place -- it won't let me download it. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-21-2001, 06:43 PM	#10
Lelondul Swan-buggerer Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The rainy, grey north Posts: 69	4th age... We've pontificated on this extensively in the past at the mevault boards that I regularly haunt. The blue Istari regularly come up as potential antagonists, remember Shelob is still around, and this Huremor is quite interesting too. A quite extensive peice of fan fiction (the work of over a year's worth of effort of which Wayfarer is quite familiar ) was also written at the Stilted Pony Rp'ing board of the Vault Network regarding the 4th age which took many cues from this new evil which is described in the "Peoples of Middle Earth". It was written with a focus on the unexplored east of Middle-earth, though Pallando the Blue was an aid in fighting the satanic cults of the Mouth of Sauron who, through Necromancy had sustained his life much beyond that of mortal man.... This was later disproven or deemed unlikely but the panel of experts there, but made for an interesting tale no less... __________________ - Lelond, your friendly neighborhood Adan Last edited by Lelondul : 11-21-2001 at 06:45 PM.

11-21-2001, 06:53 PM	#12
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Sent you the new blight banner... BtB __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-22-2001, 02:07 AM	#14
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	By 'panel of experts' Lelondul meant I think 'most of the people who post there regularly that involved themselves in the survey & debate' concerning the storyline. We had what we called the Middle-earth Charter Council (MC2), that was putting together a charter with concept work we put together for Middle-earth Online -- a MMPORPG if you didn't know, to give to the new developers that Sierra Studios had hired (then unseen and mysterious). The Council was made up of Stewardships that had different responsibilities. Lelondul and one other poster called Morthoron (the Chairman and beginner of the Council) were the Stewards of History & Storyline. What I have read of that epic story on the Stilted Pony was indeed quite good (for fan fiction, noone claimed to be professional writers, and the Lord of the Rings is difficult to follow up). Personally, my main objection was discord with some of Tolkien's work: the time period the story took place in and the implications of that (in my opinion) huge problem. Since Lelondul mentioned it, I also follow the later Blue Wizard idea of Tolkiens: that they were not corrupted. The idea was to introduce a lot of the Pony stuff into the Council material, you understand. __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-22-2001, 04:58 AM	#15
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	i actually like the idea of NOT having the blue wizards corrupted it gives the elves dwarves and men of eastern and southern ME a chance to have heroes of their own actually with the down fall of Sauron they can now move west and north in another thread which I don't recall you mention 1) the blue wizards came with glorfindel in the second age 2) there mission was different 3) they were going to different parts my questions are wasn't there something about them going east with sarauman and not returning is that just an earlier idea? any idea what their mission was? or which parts they left for? and finally where is this info located? a thanks before hand __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

11-22-2001, 06:34 AM	#16
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	with what you posted and wayfarer's rhosglawellon i've got the parts that i need the grey elves were called so because they were tutored by melian, thingol, and osse via via cirdan there could be a tribe of rhosglawellon that have been tutored under the blue wizards so they may more along the lines of the sindar and have with the fall of sauron have sought to explore the west or north thanks my friends my 4th age character is now set. i just have to wait for decipher to get it out in the spring __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.

11-22-2001, 03:09 PM	#17
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	The blue wizards mission was most probally to aid the lands east of Mordor, Tolkien's early idea was that the Blue Wizards abandoned their mission and started up magic cults that outlasted the fall of Sauron, later Sauron decided that they would become 'Darkness Slayer' and 'East helper' and they stayed faithful to their Mission. The best information on the Blue Istari is the the essay on the Istari in Unfinished tales. The fact that Shelob is still alive probally caused the Army of Gondor to kill her during Aragorns reign or Eldarions, with a bit of difficulty. Also she could still breed offspring. Inoldonil, what do you mean by a 'Thriller' would be worth doing?

11-22-2001, 08:40 PM	#19
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Thank you afro elf, I'll think i'll keep the typo for humurous purposes. The other Wizards name is Alatar.

11-22-2001, 08:49 PM	#20
afro-elf Hoplite Nomad Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,931	thanks was alatar darkness slayer or east helper? __________________ About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer.